AIBU to be glad that Jeremy Corbyn won his seat?...

[Beeinalily]

...even though I'm not remotely left wing? I think he was treated appallingly by the Labour Party.

God given right ?

I think you mean given by Article 51 of the charter of the United Nations.

Yes.

He called Hezbollah and Hamas friends. He has no place as a MP

I would be interested to know how many of those people defending him are actually his constituents?

I lived in his constituency for five years and he was utterly invisible. It was a period of my life when I was quite involved in the local community and I never met anyone who ever mentioned him or had anything to say about him. His constituency office appeared to be closed/run down (I used to pass by often) and his presence was utterly nil.

Somehow he has the reputation for being a good constituency MP because he never wanted to actually deal with the compromises involved in government - you know, actually implementing change - during the New Labour era and would rather hang back and engage in endless political talk instead.

I live in a neighbouring constituency. I have friends in his constituency who speak very highly of his local work and his involvement in local campaigns.

YANBU.
I'm delighted.
He works so hard for his constituency.
He was stitched up by New Labour.

Huh?

You honestly think Palestinians are dying because Israel is trying to take their land? Or are you just deliberately talking crap?

You do know Israel has no interest in Gaza and completely withdrew in 2005 right ?

Another graduate of tik tok university over here

EHRC is controversial because (I may get this wrong, trying to remember) it’s a government funded body with a super right wing govt in charge when the report was made and there were concerns about its neutrality ? and also am I right that the definition of antisemitism has also been extremely controversial including amongst Jewish communities? I don’t think it’s as straightforward as “read that report - case closed”.

I found this a lot more compelling given the signatories.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/30/flawed-reporting-on-antisemitism-claims-against-the-labour-party

edit- maybe this is a better source. Chomsky (one of the worlds leading intellectuals and a Jew) said

The charges of anti-Semitism against Corbyn are without merit, an underhanded contribution to the disgraceful efforts to fend off the threat that a political party might emerge that is led by an admirable and decent human being, a party that is actually committed to the interests and just demands of its popular constituency and the great majority of the population generally

26% seems like quite a bit of interest to me.
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2024-07-04/ty-article-opinion/israel-cannot-reoccupy-and-judaize-the-gaza-strip/00000190-7f4e-df13-a798-ffde3a8e0000

Bit awkward referring to people who have an issue with anti semitism as ‘crawling out of the woodwork’ - do you feel comfortable using language to describe Jewish people (and those who do not abide their persecution) as disgusting insignificant insects ? Nothing problematic about that to you?

You might be interest to read the views of actual jewish people on this if you’re looking for alternative sources, including one from a chap who worked directly for corbyn: https://www.thejc.com/news/politics/is-it-safe-for-jews-to-vote-labour-vdacr4v0

noam Chomsky is Jewish no? And of course, there’s plenty of Jewish people who don’t like Corbin but equally there’s plenty to do . it’s not like all Jews have the same take on the matter

What is it that you believe that (paywalled) article is telling you? Do you have a subscription to that left wing israeli newspaper ?

Just to clarify, you are standing by your position that Israel is killing Palestinians because it wants to steal ‘more’ land ?

This - he def called Hamas ‘friends’ and only condemned them in very weak terms.

he is only ‘very principled’ coz he just wants to chat shit and not do any actually work like getting elected and improving things for working people.

also his shadow cabinet was mainly men.

What @ProfessorPeppy said

Yes, Funny that Jewish people are not a monolith isn’t it. Almost as if they can’t be held responsible for the acts of a state they may never have even visited or be ascribed particular characteristics or prejudices just based on their genetics.

Yeah, judge people on their views, their actions and their compassion. There’s plenty of Jewish people, for example, are absolutely disgusted and appalled by Israels illegal settlements in Gaza for example.

Are you confusing Gaza with the West Bank?

If so; this gives me an indication of the extent of your knowledge. But yes, the majority of Israelis are disgusted by the tiny minority of extremist settlers in the West Bank. Very different issue to Israel’s right to defend itself from Hamas in Gaza.

I am! Thanks

So weird because I thought he just did get elected because he’s so good at representing the people of his constituency, he is well known for being a very hard-working MP. Actually he got more of the popular vote in 2017? than Starmer has just had.

yes, of course, he referred to hamas as ‘our friends’, I guess it’s not remotely possible that he was being diplomatic, he must have literally meant they are besties

and also so weird about him not appointing women? Cos I thought Corbyn met his pledge of a 50% female shadow cabinet. In fact, he bettered it, appointing 16 women and 15 men._

I guess you know better than me!

i do apologise, what I meant to say was razing Gaza to the ground and making it unliveable and then obviously the Israeli military enabling and supporting the settlers in the West Bank. We are talking about one of the most militarily advanced countries on the planet, if they didn’t want to settlers in the West Bank, they would not be there

I think you’re terribly, grotesquely, horribly wrong about the situation in a number of fronts but it’s pointless discussing. have the last word, you’re not going to convince me and I’m clearly not going to convince you

Very open to be challenged, please do tell me what I said that was horribly wrong? Always curious and keen for dialogue.

What are you trying to convince me of? I’m listening.

why wouldn’t I convince you? Are you saying you would never listen or allow yourself to be corrected if you were wrong ? Why

Sorry, are you comparing Hamas and the Oct 7th attacks to slave revolts?

Seems that they are.

disgustingly offensive to black history.

The link you posted doesn’t work. I don’t recall many women in his cabinet at all. Urgh him and MCDonnell.

he might be a good constituency MP - but that is what he should have stayed as. I am glad he got in though. Think of him walking around with the other 400+ labour MPs probably despising Kier’s success. He failed to achieve anything close. He supported successful labour candidates to get a higher percentage of the vote. Nice but pointless. A bit like Jeremy except not nice.