When will things change

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When will labour start to make changes?

Agreed!

Agreed!

I'm just going to repost this...cos now I've been proved right...

Today Rachel Reeves has started the ball rolling on this by saying what she's seen is far worse and our finances are worse than they were after world war 2, asking the treasury to do a complete review even though she admits they didn't need to win the election to find out about the state of public finances as there is already a detailed OBR review

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So they knew pre election but now as I predicted spin it that they didn't know and are horrified and boom the u turns will begin and tax rises here we come

If this is what happens it will be colossally dishonest. The opposition can inspect the books.

Tax rises (if they happen) and planning liberalisation will do for Labour in many, many seats they’ve recently won. I suspect they’re both quite wise policies - depending on the extent of tax rises and any pension changes, and how the money is spent - but lying by omission and pissing off large numbers of people in rural and semi-rural seats is very bad politics.

She is on record saying you don't need to be in power to see the syaye of the countries finances. That's a fact.

So they knew how bad it was.

Martin Lewis already challenged her on this, prior to the election he pressed her NOT to present exactly what she has in fact done. It's lying..... no change there then.

She is also under fire for her £140billion claim for lost GDP. She used OECD figures which include new fast growing economies. If she had benchmarked against G7, for example, the figures are much smaller.

And then you have labour supporters going round praising how much politics now is and they are glad it's more sensible and better with Kier.

Same shit different colour

@FinalCeleryScheme

"but lying by omission and pissing off large numbers of people in rural and semi-rural seats is very bad politics."

Actually pissing off rural and semi rural voters doesn't matter that much when the majority of your voters come from urban areas.

And @FinalCeleryScheme

You are misquoting what she said. She is only confirming what she knew to be the case. It is the Conservatives who are saying that this is just a pretext for forthcoming tax rises. No indication has come directly from her.

To be fair though, it is usually what happens. The Conservatives have done this every time they've come to power too.

Most Labour voters voted Remain. And can we stop changing history about Corbyn in that campaign? He did back remain. He said it was better than leaving, while recognising some issues with the EU (he gave it 7/10 as I recall). He campaigned all over the country, though the media did their best to ignore it.
Interesting article here. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/04/evidence-blame-jeremy-corbyn-brexit-remain-labour-conservative

Labour didn’t bankrupt the country.
A country can’t be bankrupt
there was a global financial crash
Many other world leaders praised Brown’s handling of it

We kind of have one. NI. But it’s not ring fenced.
The NhS is fine. Just needs to be properly handled, as it was under the last Labour government. Let’s try that before we abolish it, shall we?

You think the last lot weren’t capable of lying in official documents?

Don't be ridiculous. All governments are audited and checked by the OBR, the IFS, the Audit Office, the Bank of England, numerous statistical and other agencies. All finances are public account.

Except any they did illegally, like the covid fast track. Honestly, I put nothing past them.
But in any case she hasn’t said she’ll do anything they promised not to do, so it’s a bit irrelevant.

The fast track was technically unlawful in such a minor way that the courts refused a declaration of illegality. Every Covid contract examined by the courts has been held lawful.

(There may well have been fraud in covid procurement - just as there is with all public expenditure - but it was fraud on the government not by it. Mone was being sued by the last government: that’s not the criminal investigation.)

Why do these falsehoods persist? Oh, I know, because the shining beacon of decency that is Labour pushed and pushed the lies.

Like the lie you keep pushing that Starmer isn’t particularly clever?

I give up discussing with you. Have a good day.

I'm not misquoting her, ahe is quoted saying now she is in office it's worse than she knew, how? She had access to the reports pre election.

Sorry but this is a standard political tactic, and yes it's a precursor to warm you up to the inevitable u turns they will make to justify tax rises

The managed decline will continue.

Don't expect miracles.

This is what she actually said:
https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/chancellor-rachel-reeves-is-taking-immediate-action-to-fix-the-foundations-of-our-economy#:~:text=Our%20economy%20has%20been%20held,of%20chaos%20and%20economic%20irresponsibility.

Can you point to where she said "it's worse than we thought" as opposed to "as I have repeatedly warned" please?

I can't see it. She knew exactly what the state of it was. She even reiterates the intention to keep taxes as low as possible.

As low as possible doesn’t mean not raising them though. A 10% rise could be as low as possible. Not saying it will be as much as that, just an example. But I expect they will use this to raise taxes.

Keeping taxes as low as possible isn’t in any way suggesting they’ll rise. It could equally be taken as pledge to make them lower. Keeping tax rises as low as possible is what you are responding to. Which she didn’t say.

Thanks. I hadn’t heard the speech and just assumed the poster was in good faith. Apparently I should stop doing that on posts critical of the new government.
Shame on you both @KnittedCardi and @LumiB

Excellent, thanks for posting this. Always good to see the facts.

Damn your facts, they spoil everything.