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General election 2024

My students voted overwhelmingly for Reform

224 replies

Regulus · 03/07/2024 22:19

When we had the Brexit vote they also voted for Brexit- large academy 9-18- Southern England

If anything I would say the school promoted Labour

So that is our poll prediction, although certainly not what I hope for.

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EasternStandard · 04/07/2024 15:43

Regulus · 04/07/2024 15:33

I'm really not sure that is why, as in a desire to go against the school

Talking to them today it seems to be more that they want something different in a wider context. There also seems to be a feeling that nothing is off the table with reform.

Yes could be

You’ve made me rethink. My 19 year old seems out of step now (Labour but missed postal vote and is on holiday)

It’s good they are engaged in wider context

Regulus · 04/07/2024 15:46

I don't know. There is also group mentality - it is different discussing it in school, when none of it really counts.

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RubySloth · 04/07/2024 15:54

Regulus · 04/07/2024 13:23

I don't agree with that.

They are a legitimate party. Better to discuss things with teens.

100% agree. I had to explain who they are which makes you worry if 16 year olds get the vote because they aren't being taught unbiased information.

I told them, when they come of age and can vote, they do their own research and don't listen to others opinions. They focus on the policies and what they believe, I detest all the witch hunting.

GetThatBloodyFaceOff · 04/07/2024 15:55

Regulus · 03/07/2024 22:19

When we had the Brexit vote they also voted for Brexit- large academy 9-18- Southern England

If anything I would say the school promoted Labour

So that is our poll prediction, although certainly not what I hope for.

Why would the school "promote" Labour? It's the schools job to teach, and to encourage students to think for themselves - or so it should be.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 16:17

GetThatBloodyFaceOff · 04/07/2024 15:55

Why would the school "promote" Labour? It's the schools job to teach, and to encourage students to think for themselves - or so it should be.

Because, as covered already, teachers are human, politics is personal, dry teaching doesn't engage.

All parties local were represented, (we didn't allow Count Binaface but students could run as independents)

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Emmanuelll · 04/07/2024 16:22

Oh dear. When my dd was at senior school, the students voted remain for the EU referendum. She's 20 now and voted Labour today.

Emmanuelll · 04/07/2024 16:23

We're in the midlands

1dayatatime · 04/07/2024 16:35

@AbraAbraCadabra

"My comment was referring to the fact that teens were taking their voting preferences from TikTok"

Well I would say that was an improvement compared to large numbers of adults taking their voting preferences from messages on the side of a bus...

lurkylurk · 04/07/2024 16:39

LauderSyme · 03/07/2024 23:19

@Mumoftwo1316 "The thought of giving 16yos the vote still fills me with horror. They are so, so young. No nuance, no real empathy. I think it's an utterly disastrous idea and if anything I'd be a fan of raising the voting age rather than lowering it".

I totally disagree. Enfranchising 16 and 17 year olds is a good move for democracy. Our society thinks they are old enough to join the army, work full time and consent to sex, so why not vote?

The level of sophistication in the political thinking of millions of older people is hardly any better than you describe, tbh.

But not buy scissors, alcohol, glue etc.?

Most of the teenagers I’ve spoken to about politics have very little understanding of the issues or even what each parties policies actually are.

Many have just been told that Labour is the party that are nice to people and just believe it with no other information

Getonwitit · 04/07/2024 17:13

CinnamonCuirass · 04/07/2024 09:34

Don’t believe that one bit. If you know your history you know that during the Colonial period Britain (England) invented a well known phenomenon called slavery, nothing else anyone has ever done comes close to that scale. Also, if you ask minorities they will tell you about all the attacks that get DAILY from people of this country. You can’t just produce some weird data that doesn’t mean anything in order to disprove what people see with their own eyes.

England invented slavery 😂 Good lord, so many people are uneducated.

Champagnesocialismo · 04/07/2024 17:29

@CinnamonCuirass you clearly don’t know your history!

I am not pro Reform, but making stuff up about England to support your views is not on.

Longma · 04/07/2024 17:43

EasternStandard · 03/07/2024 22:52

I didn’t realise this was a thing. That schools did a mock vote

Maybe Labour changing voting age to 16 will help Reform more than they expect

Secondaries schools have always done this, well some. Mine did, as did dh's back in the 80s and 90s. DD's secondary did in the 2010s.

We talked about in my infant school today though didn't do a mock election based on actual political parties. We did hold a mini vote, with private voting booths, about biscuits - just for a non political lesson about the right to vote, the right to voiding or is y, one vote for everyone, etc.

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 18:02

Getonwitit · 04/07/2024 17:13

England invented slavery 😂 Good lord, so many people are uneducated.

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😂😂That made me laugh ... oh lord! The scary thing is people have Google and obviously don't know how to use it.

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/07/2024 18:47

My dd counted some of the ballots. She’s just finished her GCSES and was in for some of last week but doesn’t know the overall result at her secondary. In the ballots she counted, Reform had by far the most. I think Lib Dem was second with the Tories getting a couple more than the Greens and Labour bottom.

Melisha · 04/07/2024 19:22

My dog said they will vote for whatever party promises free dog biscuits.

bananasplitsallround · 04/07/2024 21:46

Terrible that a school promotes anything political!

Regulus · 04/07/2024 21:51

bananasplitsallround · 04/07/2024 21:46

Terrible that a school promotes anything political!

Care to explain further?

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MadameMassiveSalad · 04/07/2024 21:52

Kids can't vote.

Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/07/2024 22:40

Melisha · 03/07/2024 23:25

The French pay way more for their healthcare. Are people in Britain prepared to pay much more?

They only spend around 20% more, mainly as there’s an element of co-paying for most things, but the experience is infinitely better. For example, it costs between €25 and €150 for a GP appointment, but you get 70% back. Some will get full reimbursement. However, can you imagine the fuss in this country if we tried that. As a result, the NHS resources are wasted by people who don’t turn up for appointments (made for the doctor/consultants convenience not the patient) because it costs them nothing. And the whole thing puts the patient last not first.

Melisha · 05/07/2024 01:58

20% more on healthcare is an enormous amount.

Trixiefirecracker · 05/07/2024 15:24

Tryingtokeepgoing · 04/07/2024 22:40

They only spend around 20% more, mainly as there’s an element of co-paying for most things, but the experience is infinitely better. For example, it costs between €25 and €150 for a GP appointment, but you get 70% back. Some will get full reimbursement. However, can you imagine the fuss in this country if we tried that. As a result, the NHS resources are wasted by people who don’t turn up for appointments (made for the doctor/consultants convenience not the patient) because it costs them nothing. And the whole thing puts the patient last not first.

That’s fine if you have the money but if you don’t or it’s either putting food on the table or going to a GP and you have to think twice about which to prioritise is not so great. I have read French healthcare is also not in a good state and suffers from many of the problems we do over here, staff shortages, burnout among healthcare workers, and medicine supply issues etc.

parkrun500club · 05/07/2024 15:42

Scrap interest payments on student loans and extend the repayment period to 45 years

yes this was the only thing in the manifesto that was aimed at young people. Everything else was playing to the baby boomer and older gallery.

The health ideas were all very well like getting a voucher to see a private GP if you don't get an appointment within 3 days but in the real world it would never happen.

rumnraisins · 06/07/2024 12:53

Realduchymarmalade · 04/07/2024 14:41

Well exactly. It’s about time educational establishments stopped ramming politics down children’s necks. University staff are shocking for their far-left aggression, my niece was told by her professor that her art coursework wasn’t political enough and it was made damn clear there was only one acceptable political viewpoint.

I grew up in a communist state and this is what I used to be told at school.

Funny that.

paperrocksiscissors · 07/07/2024 14:24

Champagnesocialismo · 04/07/2024 17:29

@CinnamonCuirass you clearly don’t know your history!

I am not pro Reform, but making stuff up about England to support your views is not on.

To a certain extent we modernised , industrialised slavery like no other nation.

British ships took most of the slave trade from Africa, and it was unprecedented in modern age.

We have traded slaves for LONGER than we abolished it, 1562 to 1830.

We have only stopped paying loans to compensate slave owning families for ending slavery, in 2015, yes, less than 10 years ago.

But most people in the UK are completely unknowledabgle about this , because its 'un patriotic' to talk about things like the slave trade, only the bit about us abolishing it....

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