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General election 2024

My students voted overwhelmingly for Reform

224 replies

Regulus · 03/07/2024 22:19

When we had the Brexit vote they also voted for Brexit- large academy 9-18- Southern England

If anything I would say the school promoted Labour

So that is our poll prediction, although certainly not what I hope for.

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Barbadossunset · 04/07/2024 12:33

CinnamonCuirass · Today 08:29
If that’s the case, and I’m not saying I don’t believe you these are bleak times, you need to report your students to PREVENT and let them know about the extremism that they are likely to be involving themselves with

Are you the same poster who said your son was voting Reform and you had written to the school to express your concern.
I think you’re having us all on.

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 12:34

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/07/2024 22:26

Maybe it was because the school promoted labour that they did it as a FU to the staff, showing they are capable of making up their own minds and pissing you off at the same time.

I agree. My child's school didn't even put reform on the ballot 😂

Lib dems won at mine.

rumnraisins · 04/07/2024 12:46

Chersfrozenface · 04/07/2024 09:49

Somebody doesn't do history.

Slavery has existed since the beginning of agriculture. It was institutionalised in Sumeria by 3500BC. Islamic slavery encompassed mainly Western and Central Asia, Northern and Eastern Africa, India and Europe from the 7th to the 20th century.

Those engaged in the Atlantic slave trade very, very rarely went go raiding inland for slaves. Instead they bartered for them with local leaders, who were perfectly willing to capture larger and larger numbers for the trade.

This

Slave and Slav were originally the same word.

Because Eastern Europe was raided for slaves a long time before the British Empire even existed. To this day people living in the Middle East have some Slavic DNA because of it.

The trans Atlantic slave trade was abhorrent but was neither the largest nor the most cruel in the history of mankind.

The Trans Saharan slave trade, for example, involved not only torture but also mass castration of men. In South America they used to rip out hearts from living slaves in rituals.

So, let’s have some perspective here.

And the UK did abolish slavery. It still exists today everywhere else apart from the West.

CormorantStrikesBack · 04/07/2024 12:48

Dd was like this at that age, was a total Farage fan. She’s just voted Lib Dem, there is hope.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 13:23

RubySloth · 04/07/2024 12:34

I agree. My child's school didn't even put reform on the ballot 😂

Lib dems won at mine.

I don't agree with that.

They are a legitimate party. Better to discuss things with teens.

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Bewareofthisonetoo · 04/07/2024 13:42

Regulus · 04/07/2024 13:23

I don't agree with that.

They are a legitimate party. Better to discuss things with teens.

Agree it is appalling that they don’t put them on the ballot.
At my school Refirm won decisively among all year groups including the 6th Firm and teachers.
Ironic then if Labour give 16 yest olds the vote and it doesn’t guarantee the Labour perpetual government they are trying to gerrymander,

Workbabysleeprepeat · 04/07/2024 14:08

greenpolarbear · 04/07/2024 10:43

Do you really expect anyone to believe that trolling? Only bitter and stupid men over 40 are voting Reform, and even then not many of them 😂

I’m not a troll, you can check if you like. And you don’t have to believe it, but it did happen regardless.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 14:36

Workbabysleeprepeat · 04/07/2024 14:08

I’m not a troll, you can check if you like. And you don’t have to believe it, but it did happen regardless.

Lots of people haven't learnt anything from Brexit.

I am a remainer, I would rejoin in a heartbeat. But as a nation we have to stop this disbelief that someone can think a different way.

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Regulus · 04/07/2024 14:37

I'm glad I posted- I thought this post maybe a little irrelevant but it has been filled with interesting replies. Thank you

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bergamotorange · 04/07/2024 14:40

Mumoftwo1316 · 03/07/2024 22:34

Our mock election had mostly Tory (which matches the area and demographic of the school), with some Labour but a couple of forms unexpectedly voted Green.

I agree they do it to be controversial.

FWIW I've been a teacher for many years, teaching at mostly quite selective schools so the students are often well informed and can follow political arguments. The thought of giving 16yos the vote still fills me with horror. They are so, so young. No nuance, no real empathy. I think it's an utterly disastrous idea and if anything I'd be a fan of raising the voting age rather than lowering it

Plenty of 26, 46, 66yos with no nuance or empathy.

Realduchymarmalade · 04/07/2024 14:41

Redshoeblueshoe · 03/07/2024 22:26

Maybe it was because the school promoted labour that they did it as a FU to the staff, showing they are capable of making up their own minds and pissing you off at the same time.

Well exactly. It’s about time educational establishments stopped ramming politics down children’s necks. University staff are shocking for their far-left aggression, my niece was told by her professor that her art coursework wasn’t political enough and it was made damn clear there was only one acceptable political viewpoint.

Hoppinggreen · 04/07/2024 14:42

DD is 19 and she tells me that lots of people her age plan to vote Reform which blows my mind

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 14:45

Realduchymarmalade · 04/07/2024 14:41

Well exactly. It’s about time educational establishments stopped ramming politics down children’s necks. University staff are shocking for their far-left aggression, my niece was told by her professor that her art coursework wasn’t political enough and it was made damn clear there was only one acceptable political viewpoint.

They’re not children at university, they’re young adults who are old enough to vote and old enough to complain if they believe their work is criticised for spurious reasons.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 14:51

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 14:45

They’re not children at university, they’re young adults who are old enough to vote and old enough to complain if they believe their work is criticised for spurious reasons.

I've left a previous job because, as an employed adult, I wasn't allowed to complain or challenge what could only be described as a ideologically captured SLT.

My school is labour leaning but we do encourage students to consider all options, and to learn how to standby their decisions.

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bergamotorange · 04/07/2024 14:53

Realduchymarmalade · 04/07/2024 14:41

Well exactly. It’s about time educational establishments stopped ramming politics down children’s necks. University staff are shocking for their far-left aggression, my niece was told by her professor that her art coursework wasn’t political enough and it was made damn clear there was only one acceptable political viewpoint.

I simply do not believe this.

If it is true, she has grounds for complaint.

Chersfrozenface · 04/07/2024 14:55

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 14:45

They’re not children at university, they’re young adults who are old enough to vote and old enough to complain if they believe their work is criticised for spurious reasons.

Complain to whom?

Other staff at the university who are just as bad?

The Office of the Independent Adjudicator for Higher Education? Who will want written evidence, and you'll be lucky if you have that.

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 15:03

Complain to the person who’s being offensively political and to their student rep. Students are customers now universities are businesses.

Mumoftwo1316 · 04/07/2024 15:08

bergamotorange · 04/07/2024 14:40

Plenty of 26, 46, 66yos with no nuance or empathy.

Yep. I already replied to a response much like this. Some adults are idiots at every age.

My point was that no 16yos have nuance or true empathy because it's simply not developmentally likely at such a young age. Even the ones who will later grow up to have good judgement.

My point wasn't that all older people have it. I never said or implied that at all.

I appreciate that this logical distinction has gone over some commenters' heads.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 15:08

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 15:03

Complain to the person who’s being offensively political and to their student rep. Students are customers now universities are businesses.

This is digressing, but I've found student reps to be the most intolerant.
You only need to look at the way some universities have treated their professors/MA/PHD students that do not tow the acceptable political line to understand that a undergraduate has little voice.

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sabadoo · 04/07/2024 15:12

Apparently voting Reform is all over tiktok and is seen as a bit edgy and an up yours to the establishment. In a way I can see why that would appeal given how dire things look for young people not that I think voting for Reform will make things any better for them. I myself feel politically homeless none of the parties really speak to me at all and I am in my 40s!

Workbabysleeprepeat · 04/07/2024 15:13

Regulus · 04/07/2024 14:36

Lots of people haven't learnt anything from Brexit.

I am a remainer, I would rejoin in a heartbeat. But as a nation we have to stop this disbelief that someone can think a different way.

Yes I agree. We should all open our minds to other perspectives especially in the younger generations.

Chersfrozenface · 04/07/2024 15:21

BIossomtoes · 04/07/2024 15:03

Complain to the person who’s being offensively political and to their student rep. Students are customers now universities are businesses.

There is no freedom of speech or freedom of expression in universities these days.

It's rightthink or silence.

Just look at the way Kathleen Stock, Jo Phoenix, Pilgrim Tucker, Raquel Rosario Sánchez and others have been discriminated against and hounded from their jobs.

EasternStandard · 04/07/2024 15:24

Regulus · 04/07/2024 14:51

I've left a previous job because, as an employed adult, I wasn't allowed to complain or challenge what could only be described as a ideologically captured SLT.

My school is labour leaning but we do encourage students to consider all options, and to learn how to standby their decisions.

My school is labour leaning

I was surprised to see your results for students but reading the thread I can see why they might go against a taken position from schools or wherever

Barbadossunset · 04/07/2024 15:30

BIossomtoes · Today 15:03
Complain to the person who’s being offensively political and to their student rep. Students are customers now universities are businesses

Good luck with that.

Regulus · 04/07/2024 15:33

EasternStandard · 04/07/2024 15:24

My school is labour leaning

I was surprised to see your results for students but reading the thread I can see why they might go against a taken position from schools or wherever

I'm really not sure that is why, as in a desire to go against the school

Talking to them today it seems to be more that they want something different in a wider context. There also seems to be a feeling that nothing is off the table with reform.

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