Everyone at work voting Reform

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People can vote for whichever party they want to vote for, but I feel pretty disheartened at the amount of Reform voters I work with. They think it's funny, and that Farage has all the answers for them. They don't try to hide their racism, and even seem proud of it. I know they are trying to wind me up, but I just try to keep quiet in the corner as I know they all see me as a woke leftie. Having been excited to see the back of the Tories for at least a good few years, I'm just feeling deflated at the views of people I spend most of my time with. They're even talking about Kylian Mbappe's stance on the French elections now, with the usual "stick to the football" comment. Not sure what I want from this thread, just expressing my worries.

If my partner voted Reform I would leave him, as he would not be the person I've known for 20 years.

Yes well perhaps they’re right.

I said proto-fascist.

Right now, he's an arch-populist whose strategy is the demonisation of anyone he thinks will bring the disaffected to his side. He's been perfectly open about his admiration for Putin ( "the leader I most admire") and of other strongmen, most recently Andrew Tate. He's been openly racist and dehumanises migrants both legal and illegal. He seems very happy running his party as a one-man show, despite promises to democratise. As a schoolboy he was perfectly open about his fascist views - the teachers complained about him using exactly that term: he was known to sidle up to Jewish students and hiss 'Gas 'em', and sing Hitler Youth songs.

Your goal is to convince others here that Farage represents a return to traditional conservative values. Even Andrew Neil in the Daily Mail says you are .. - let's be kind and say 'misguided'.

That doesn’t sum up construction really but thanks for your ranty insight ☺️

That’s far too intelligent, all they can do is call him a racist, they can’t actually get out of their echo chamber and engage with what he’s actually saying or observe he has a load of candidates from different ethnicities.

The idea that he isn’t a racist would really blow their heads up. - which is due to happen on Friday morning anyway.

Actually, he disavowed Tate twice on air. Saying Tate is an important voice for many young men is not agreeing with him. It’s a statement of truth, many young men consider him to be. This is worrying and Farage said so.

On Putin he said he was wrong to attack Ukraine. Many politicians cosied to Putin unfortunately, including Merkel, Obama, Blair and Sarkozy who told the Polish government to be quiet when they were raising alarm in 2015 over Crimea and Nordstream.

He is right in that Putin’s reaction was predictable- should have said it like this.

Guardian is an opinion piece, perhaps watch the actual footage of what he said about Tate.

On Russia - I too was disappointed but not surprised when Ukraine was attacked. I’m not a Putin apologist btw but this did not come from the blue. He was enabled for too long by Western governments, mainly the EU, cosying up to him to get cheap gas. That’s what Nordstrom’s was about.

Hopefully if there are loads of candidates of different ethnicities, Reform will dial back on their hard line against immigration.
A more inclusive society is definitely what we need.

Yes and she’s free to feel disheartened about their views especially considering they are openly racist.

you have picked piddling holes in a couple of my points but can't deny the substance, or his overall direction of travel, which he's taken walking and talking like a little fascist duck.

What ? Defrauding the country they love 😂 moaning about benefit claimants and people worse off whilst not paying their fair share ? Yup right patriots.

I genuinely believe people haven’t even listened to or read anything about Reforms positions,

I was with a hard Labour voter the other day reading out Reforms policies and she agreed with every single one of them, despite the initial pathetic proclamations of facism, racism bla bla

It’s tedious. People are generally quite dumb and just do what they are told to do. Vote Labour. Vote Labour.

And they will vote Labour despite what their actual eyes and ears are telling them when they watch Kier Starmer, or worse other Labour people like Lammy, who literally believes men can grow a cervix,

I think posting an article from The Guardian on Reform was never going to give a balanced view though.

Reform currently are the only party offering conservative values, there is nothing wrong with wanting a smaller state and to achieve growth from lower taxes.

I never expected any different from the lead up to this election, but did hold an outside hope that following the mud slinging of the brexit vote and the Scottish Indy vote, the discussions would be not descend once again into just name calling and trashing parties. Sadly this now appears to be acceptable, which I find sad. For many people they will vote in this election having only taken notice of soundbites.

Really? A hard Labour voter agreed with leaving the ECHR, getting rid off the Equality Act, billions more in cuts to public services, tosh about sending boats to France and the military in the police?

I find that astonishing.

I feel for you OP.

Here (not UK) far right got in already.

Utterly horrified that far right won in the French elections. Hopefully next week will show a better result.... I doubt it

People just don't want to learn from history. Proud of my dad who was in the Resistance.

Scary times.

@cupcaske123 You clearly haven’t read their policies either 🤷‍♀️

Wait until we see what's going to happen to all of us under a Labour government

Of course I've read their manifesto, took about five minutes.

or worse other Labour people like Lammy, who literally believes men can grow a cervix,

Really? Seems like an intelligent man, as a black man able to get into parliament.
poor Dianne Abbott

You @cupcaske123 need to back up those facts with evidence.

Racism is alive and kicking how fucking sad in 2024

Check out the manifesto here:
https://www.reformparty.uk/policies

What ? Spontaneous combustion ? Soviet flag above Buckingham palace ? Royal family rounded up and banished to exile ?

This wisdom should be a strapline on every page here on wonderful Mumsnet !

Bloody hell that’s a bit whitevanmanist isn’t it?
Don’t judge them all by the standard of your relatives, I say. I work with loads of tradesmen who are highly educated. (Also highly skilled for that matter).

I think posting an article from The Guardian on Reform was never going to give a balanced view though.

i googled established facts and linked to what came up. One of the links is to a daily mail article. You’re floundering.

Aye - for now.