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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

519 replies

Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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LakeTiticaca · 01/07/2024 10:15

What we need is a strong government and a strong opposition party. At the moment we have neither. I remember the euphoria in 97 when Blair got in. Things can only get better, and they did.......until they didn't.
The tories have done nothing to endear themselves to the UK electorate but I just cannot bring myself to vote in a party who calls women dinosaurs hoarding rights and allowing female MPs to be threatened with death for stating that women don't have a penis.
I just can't

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 10:22

folie à deux

Who cares about poor and working class women who've been completely screwed under the Tory government. Only middle class women count.

Hold your nose and vote for more austerity OP .

AutumnCrow · 01/07/2024 10:26

AtrociousCircumstance · 01/07/2024 09:44

The Tories have to go.

But yes I’m despairing about what’s happening to women’s rights and Labour’s stance on it.

We have to scrape the toxic Tories off this country though.

I hear you and it’s shit.

This sums it up well for me.

I'm still sitting on my unused postal vote. I want to vote Labour, but why would I vote for my own sex class's erasure?

AngryBird6122 · 01/07/2024 10:26

Labour will win, but they will only last one term (IMO)

swimsong · 01/07/2024 10:27

Proudtobeanortherner · 01/07/2024 10:09

It’s a bad time to be anyone if Labour wins with the suggested majority. There will be nobody to challenge them but yes biological
women will suffer most. Maybe they will
repeat our right to vote next?

This is the nuttiest post on here that I expect to have read all year.
And i've read some really nutty ones.

If it's come from Conservative Campaign Headquarters, FFS at least make your posts credible.

Bigearringsbigsmile · 01/07/2024 10:31

I actually despair if people genuinely believe that the continuation of governance by this bunch of corrupt , immoral criminals would be any better than a labour government. Yes they have said the right things about the trans issue but they have also fucked over women on so many other issues!
The propaganda being disseminated on this site in the run up to this election is unreal!!!

Anewone5 · 01/07/2024 10:34

I don't know how people will feel when they realise that nothing has become better under Labour.

RafaistheKingofClay · 01/07/2024 10:34

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They are starting to get desperate now.

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 10:35

Bigearringsbigsmile · 01/07/2024 10:31

I actually despair if people genuinely believe that the continuation of governance by this bunch of corrupt , immoral criminals would be any better than a labour government. Yes they have said the right things about the trans issue but they have also fucked over women on so many other issues!
The propaganda being disseminated on this site in the run up to this election is unreal!!!

Tory HQ have been here for a long time. Some areas are like a cult with people just trotting out the same crap over and over. It's fascinating and frightening in equal measure.

BananaLambo · 01/07/2024 10:36

We are in this current mess because of the Tories. I would vote in satan himself if it got rid of them. You are on the front line now. This is happening now - not in the future- now. It is happening under the tories. Do you genuinely think it would be better under them given their track record over the last 14 years?

Redundantonhols · 01/07/2024 10:37

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VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 10:37

Anewone5 · 01/07/2024 10:34

I don't know how people will feel when they realise that nothing has become better under Labour.

Every Labour voter with half a brain cell knows it will take a long time to undo the damage. Labour will need two terms at least.

I don't know why non-Labour voters imagine we are all living in cloud cuckoo land, thinking everything will magically improve in a few months.

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 01/07/2024 10:39

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

It just means that they would check that government policies wouldn't disproportionately impact on the poorest. Are you actually, genuinely saying that you're opposed to that because you prefer it if you and other middle class people are actively favoured and you'd rather the poor suffered? I suppose that's probably not actually that uncommon a view, but it's still quite astounding that you said it out loud.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 10:40

MoreDangerousThanAWomanScorned · 01/07/2024 10:39

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

It just means that they would check that government policies wouldn't disproportionately impact on the poorest. Are you actually, genuinely saying that you're opposed to that because you prefer it if you and other middle class people are actively favoured and you'd rather the poor suffered? I suppose that's probably not actually that uncommon a view, but it's still quite astounding that you said it out loud.

It reminds me of what Sunak said about diverting funds from poorer to richer areas. Tory playbook.

Trinity65 · 01/07/2024 10:41

cupcaske123 · 01/07/2024 10:22

folie à deux

Who cares about poor and working class women who've been completely screwed under the Tory government. Only middle class women count.

Hold your nose and vote for more austerity OP .

🙌

fiddleleaffig · 01/07/2024 10:43

Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

So who are you voting for?
I can't imagine someone working in the nhs even considering voting conservative after witnessing first hand how the have starved our hospitals and schools of essential funds, so what is your alternative?

newnamenellie · 01/07/2024 10:44

AtrociousCircumstance · 01/07/2024 09:44

The Tories have to go.

But yes I’m despairing about what’s happening to women’s rights and Labour’s stance on it.

We have to scrape the toxic Tories off this country though.

I hear you and it’s shit.

This

Dymaxion · 01/07/2024 10:45

I work in the NHS and listened to Wes Streeting talk about how they will make the NHS and Social services 'pool' their budgets to reduce bedblockers Hmm

shearwater2 · 01/07/2024 10:47

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This.

Dymaxion · 01/07/2024 10:47

Although to be fair to Labour, the NHS was far better when they were in power.

newnamenellie · 01/07/2024 10:47

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It's not 'anti Labour crap'.

I've always been a Labour voter but am seriously wavering now, and this is down to their ridiculous stance on women's rights and women only spaces.

MoonshineSon · 01/07/2024 10:49

You lost me at middle class.

theresnolimits · 01/07/2024 10:49

Isn’t the Tory party the one who admitted to the Covid Inquiry that women were excluded from the decision making process and were therefore disproportionately affected by lockdown policies? You know like locking them down with abusers and putting the home school burden predominately on them?

And haven’t they overseen 14 years of sexist and misogynistic behaviour in the police and fire services? That has actually led to the deaths of women?

I am as annoyed by the erosion of women’s spaces as the next women but this has happened under the Tories. They’ve watched over and supported the whole Stonewall agenda. Just because they’ve realised it has some political traction now, don’t expect me to believe for a minute they care.

Do I want to see a man’s willie in a changing room? Absolutely not. Do I fear the
Police force and the criminal justice failures around DV and rape far more - yes. Do I think the likes of Yvette Cooper, Jess Phillips, Rachel Reeves, Angela Rayner are far more likely to engage with the wider agenda than Rishi and his Tory boys ~ does that even need answering?

And JKR, Sharron Davies etc are not going away ~ the Cass Report means pushback is real.

We are where we are now thanks to the Tories.

Zinzinner · 01/07/2024 10:50

Oh my goodness, thanks for starting a thread about labour and trans rights. Had never seen one before.

countrygirl99 · 01/07/2024 10:53

I'll take my chances thanks. The Tories have decimated the NHS and social care system that my mum depends on. That has a massive impact on 10s, of not 100s of thousands of women on a daily basis.