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General election 2024

Middle class biological women prepare to be relegated to being second class citizens by the end of the week

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Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 09:38

The Labour Party is expected to win a huge majority in the GE on Thursday. My fears are their stance on trans rights which are being prioritised over those of biological women and this will risk our safety, opportunities and dignity. I also work in the NHS and read what is happening to the nurses in Darlington with horror.

My other concern is they have not been transparent on their plans on how to raise money for their spending pledges other than say they will invest and reap the benefit of green technology. This is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. I can only conclude we will be taxed even more but stealthy.

Then I read this in their manifesto:
‘Expansion of the Equality Act 2010Labour will implement the socioeconomic protected characteristic of the Equality Act, also the socioeconomic duty under Section 1 of the Equality Act and ensure equality impact assessments of government policy are conducted.5 Jun 2024’
To me this means richer areas will get less money from government for public services than poorer areas. I live in an area which is very boringly middle class but our public services are already cut to the bone(bin collections fortnightly, potholes left for months, all adult evening classes gone) but we still pay a hefty amount of council tax.

So under a Labour government I as a biological woman, working in the NHS on the frontline and will be expected to share our women’s changing rooms with any man with a GRC. I will probably be taxed more as a higher rate taxpayer because the tax bands have stayed static for years and I will expect less public services because I live in the suburbs but my council taxes will most likely increase just to sustain what we already have

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Underthinker · 02/07/2024 12:11

@CaptainmyCapta1n
You said the EA already says what it needs to say.
I don't think that was me. I think it currently makes it possible to have single sex services in theory, but difficult in practice. See my post above as to why I think a single line change will make a difference.

CaptainmyCapta1n · 02/07/2024 12:13

Underthinker · 02/07/2024 12:11

@CaptainmyCapta1n
You said the EA already says what it needs to say.
I don't think that was me. I think it currently makes it possible to have single sex services in theory, but difficult in practice. See my post above as to why I think a single line change will make a difference.

My apologies, i thought it was you.

Thank you for providing your explanation above, it makes now sense to me now why you feel amending the EA would make a difference.

Nicelynicelyjohnson · 02/07/2024 12:14

Chocoloca · 02/07/2024 12:09

There are so many similar posts. I am wondering if it's a desperate attempt by Tories to get their members write on forums like mumsnet.

There is surely some of this.
People come on talking about women's rights (not just this thread, elsewhere too) and then it turns out that the Tories have a lot of other excellent policies as well that they agree with.
I get the women's rights thing, and I know there are genuine posters/voters who are politically homeless because of this, but there are people here using this as a way to encourage people not to vote Labour so the Tories will get more seats.

Where I am Labour won't win. But I look forward to a Labour government and working together with other women to keep/get the rights we deserve. 14 years of Tories has not convinced me that they can do it.

HebburnPokemon · 02/07/2024 12:19

VoteOutToHelpOut · 01/07/2024 11:42

Tbh Labour doesn't need your votes!

😎mic drop

Franzkafkascat · 02/07/2024 12:20

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2024 11:40

PS. I am not "the Tory camp" and many of the women here disagreeing with Labour aren't either.

Well if you vote them you sure are one of them. You’re essentially green lighting the history of lying, the cronyism and corruption, the dreadful lock down behaviour in particular, the pork barrel politics, and all the other stuff yet to come like leaving the ECHR and national service.

TattedBarley · 02/07/2024 12:21

Personally I’m more terrified of the fact that rape has effectively become legal under the Tories, than I am about occasionally seeing a trans person.

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/07/2024 12:22

I'm not saying your not genuinely worried @Mycatsmudge but catastrophising isn't going to help. On Friday, the government will change and you'll be OK. Your life will go on as normal.

In 6 months you'll be looking back on this thread wondering what you were thinking.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 02/07/2024 12:22

Well if you vote them you sure are one of them.

I'm not going to vote for them, hth.

HebburnPokemon · 02/07/2024 12:25

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/07/2024 12:08

They did this:
https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

Then they wrote genderwoo into loads of guidance and laws.
Reported women o the police for retweeting JKR.
Repeatedly put TWAW zealots at the head of Education.
Appointed the world's first Trans MP to Women and Equalities Commision.
Took money from the head of Stonewall.
Payed Stonewall a fortune to push a TRA agenda training to our public bodies.
Tried to lie and gaslight us with bollocks like at least the Tories know what a woman is.
Put male sex offenders into prison to sexually assault the women there.
Refused to fix any of it.
Refused to say that only women have a cervix.

I'm sure they did other stuff too. Make no mistake, the Tories have wrecked things for women in the UK. Their trans shitshow was just one part of that.🤷‍♀️

The Tories hate women. I can't wait to see the back of them.

This post needs its own thread in AIBU.

AIBU to think the Tories have done a lot for women...

Franzkafkascat · 02/07/2024 12:36

@HebburnPokemon yes.

OriginalUsername2 · 02/07/2024 12:45

Mycatsmudge · 01/07/2024 23:25

Tax increases which will affect me include Council tax, fuel duty, pension contributions and ISA savings. Also possible inheritance tax. Regarding increased spending in public services. Having worked for the NHS for 30+ years in various roles and departments I don’t believe just more money is going to improve it in the long term. Its poor performance and inefficiencies are also due poor procurement, terrible IT systems, operations, inability to retain and incentivise staff, and how politicise it is which precludes serious long term strategic planning

I’m pretty sure that Labour are planning to make the NHS system work more efficiently without throwing money at it? Ie. Exactly what you’ve just outlined needs doing.

Hummingbird75 · 02/07/2024 13:16

OriginalUsername2 · 02/07/2024 12:45

I’m pretty sure that Labour are planning to make the NHS system work more efficiently without throwing money at it? Ie. Exactly what you’ve just outlined needs doing.

No they really won't be doing that!

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2024 13:21

Hummingbird75 · 02/07/2024 13:16

No they really won't be doing that!

Funny. They’ve said they will and they did last time they were in power.

OriginalUsername2 · 02/07/2024 13:59

Hummingbird75 · 02/07/2024 13:16

No they really won't be doing that!

Care to elaborate?

Mycatsmudge · 02/07/2024 18:29

OriginalUsername2 · 02/07/2024 12:45

I’m pretty sure that Labour are planning to make the NHS system work more efficiently without throwing money at it? Ie. Exactly what you’ve just outlined needs doing.

The big big problem to changing the NHS is vested interests. They will face massive resistance from far left activists within the NHS, trade unions who they are hugely beholden to and their own dogma and ideology.

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HauntedPollingBooth · 02/07/2024 18:39

Mycatsmudge · 02/07/2024 18:29

The big big problem to changing the NHS is vested interests. They will face massive resistance from far left activists within the NHS, trade unions who they are hugely beholden to and their own dogma and ideology.

You mean people who want a fair wage for a day's work, decent working conditions, decent pensions and so on?

Just because you think it's fine for much of the private sector to treat workers like dirt that doesn't make it right.

There is much that could be done to make the NHS work better, but it's practical rather than ideological.

I don't know a single NHS colleague who doesn't work over their contracted hours as a matter of routine - even at the lower pay bands. We have to, to get the work done.

BIossomtoes · 02/07/2024 18:42

Mycatsmudge · 02/07/2024 18:29

The big big problem to changing the NHS is vested interests. They will face massive resistance from far left activists within the NHS, trade unions who they are hugely beholden to and their own dogma and ideology.

It wasn’t last time. The DoH held big events in different parts of the country to get staff input and buy in. We were fundamental to the change with many of the ideas coming from staff. There were change teams everywhere looking at processes and implementing new ones. I’d have thought you’d remember this.

swimsong · 02/07/2024 18:46

HebburnPokemon · 02/07/2024 12:25

This post needs its own thread in AIBU.

AIBU to think the Tories have done a lot for women...

What exactly?

swimsong · 02/07/2024 18:47

Hummingbird75 · 02/07/2024 13:16

No they really won't be doing that!

But you think a bunch of public school toffs might?

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