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General election 2024

Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 14:06

They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

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BloodyHellKenAgain · 30/06/2024 18:23

Putting aside whether Reform voters are all racist. How will 'everyone know' who voted for Reform ? It's a secret ballot so unless you see someone else's cross in the box you have no definite way of knowing how someone votes.
Even if someone tells you they voted A, they could have voted B.

ACarefulTraveller · 30/06/2024 18:25

LakeTiticaca · 30/06/2024 18:22

Take a little look at the company who actually filmed it 😉

Sure, and please do explain the participation of all the other Reform members also filmed making racist and homophobic statements. Were they all in on it too?

BloodyHellKenAgain · 30/06/2024 18:26

hairbearbunches · 30/06/2024 18:04

@ACarefulTraveller there was less antisemitism in the Labour Party than there is in the country at large. It was a ploy straight from the Republican Party in the US. Accuse someone of the very thing they have spent their entire life opposing and keep accusing them of it. You were played if you didn't vote Labour because they were antisemitic. You voted to keep the establishment right where it is.

How many people has starmer kicked out? How many? He's kicked out more left wing people than he has kicked out antisemitic members.

Wasn't the anti semitism row more to do with Corbyns friendship with Hamas, the treatment of Luciana Berger etc rather than 'a ploy borrowed from the US Republicans' 🙄

NotAllowed · 30/06/2024 18:27

Ashamed of what? Having views and opinions different to yours? Exercising my democratic right to vote for who I want to? Why aren’t you ashamed of being a finger wagging holier than thou sanctimonious liberal?

Hedgeoffressian · 30/06/2024 18:29

Leah5678 · 30/06/2024 15:37

Most on this site live in really expensive villages or parts of cities with none of the "diversity" they claim to love then hop on this site to moan about how people with actual life experience are "racist"
I'd be embarrassed...

Well they are going to be in for a nice surprise once Labour are in power because Angela Rayner has already announced that all parts of the Uk are going to get their fair share of migrants (as reported in the Telegraph last week). And with their track record of migration a lot of places will look unrecognisable in the next couple of years. I’m sure that will include relaxing planning laws so developers can build on huge waves of nasty green belt land. Much better to be used to house migrants than grow food to feed the population eh? 😉

By the way, did anyone see the report about hundreds of people sneaking into Glastonbury with fake wrist bands?!

SidekickSylvia · 30/06/2024 18:29

TinklySnail · 30/06/2024 17:52

Asking Enoch Powell to back UKIP? Was UKIP a thing in his lifetime?

Only just, but he'd retired by then. Enoch Powell was born in 1912, retired in 1987 (at the age of 75), and died in 1998. Ukip was founded in 1993. I doubt NF asked him to back UKIP 6 years after he'd retired from politics.

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 18:31

TreadLight · 30/06/2024 18:12

Plaid Cymru, SNP and the various Northern Ireland parties are unashamedly working for their various countries.

I'm aware of that.
My comment was directed at whoever mentioned "proper English people".

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TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 18:32

NotAllowed · 30/06/2024 18:27

Ashamed of what? Having views and opinions different to yours? Exercising my democratic right to vote for who I want to? Why aren’t you ashamed of being a finger wagging holier than thou sanctimonious liberal?

Ashamed to be associated with racists.

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MissingMoominMamma · 30/06/2024 18:32

TinklySnail · 30/06/2024 18:13

You’ll find the costing in each section of their contract.

This is what came through my door.

Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?
Lokipokey1 · 30/06/2024 18:32

“Right now all men pay for all women: we pay 80% of tax and you take out 80%. The fact you’re able to write on a technological device is all down to us.
“The cultural feminisation of the west is a disaster of epic proportions. We have elevated female characteristics – especially neuroticism, to the highest levels. Hysteria is now common place. The evidence from repeated psychologically testing is that women are appalling at taking criticism.
“Modern feminism belongs in the sewer of self hate from which it came: you say it yourself, you’re all jealous of the perceived freedoms of men.”
Ian Gribbin from Reform said this. Sounds like a party that I, as a woman, can get behind …

Cinnabarmotheaten · 30/06/2024 18:34

Is it impossible for people on here to talk about the massively important issues affecting our country and the huge needs in our society without using personal insults and the language of shaming?

Surely on here we can manage constructive listening and discussion otherwise we will continue with the increasing divisions in our country and people becoming entrenched in opposing positions.

is there a party that will stop destruction of our eco system, uphold fairness and respect for all and keep women and children safe in our society? I will vote for them.

NotAllowed · 30/06/2024 18:36

TheShellBeach · 30/06/2024 18:32

Ashamed to be associated with racists.

Liberal brain rot

Churchview · 30/06/2024 18:37

My brother in law is voting Reform.

I strongly believe he is voting Reform out of fear.
He lives in a world of conspiracy theories and the kind of media outlets and websites that blame foreigners for all wrong doing.

Anyone who thinks differently to him is woke, virtue signalling, a lefty or has not 'seen the light' to the same extent that he has. Any other MP/party/newspaper/the BBC, Fiona Bruce, judges etc are The Establishment.

Farage and Trump are not The Establishment, 'tell it like it is' and will 'stop the boats. That's why he's voting Reform.

The Reform candidate for whom he will be voting is an immigrant who came to the UK 6 years ago.

caringcarer · 30/06/2024 18:38

I don't think I'm racist. I just think too many people are coming into the UK too quickly for the infrastructure to cope. There isn't enough money to build more hospitals, schools, prisons, doctors surgeries, dentists etc. Also I don't think it's right that more than half of all social housing is given to people not born in the UK, meaning those born here are going to the bottom of the queue. Other countries don't prioritise immigrants over their own citizens.

MissingMoominMamma · 30/06/2024 18:38

SidekickSylvia · 30/06/2024 18:29

Only just, but he'd retired by then. Enoch Powell was born in 1912, retired in 1987 (at the age of 75), and died in 1998. Ukip was founded in 1993. I doubt NF asked him to back UKIP 6 years after he'd retired from politics.

He asked him twice, but was unsuccessful. It’s documented in more than one place.

1dayatatime · 30/06/2024 18:41

@TheShellBeach

"Ashamed to be associated with racists."

Should someone voting Labour be ashamed to be associated with anti semites?

1dayatatime · 30/06/2024 18:45

@Churchview

"The Reform candidate for whom he will be voting is an immigrant who came to the UK 6 years ago."

But doesn't that just show how your BIL is not racist or anti immigrants as individuals but feels that there is a structural limit as to how many migrants can move to the UK?

Or do you believe that there should be no limit?

Justcallmebebes · 30/06/2024 18:45

1dayatatime · 30/06/2024 18:41

@TheShellBeach

"Ashamed to be associated with racists."

Should someone voting Labour be ashamed to be associated with anti semites?

Exactly. Or be ashamed of voting for a party that states the rights of men in frocks trump those of the rights of women

ACarefulTraveller · 30/06/2024 18:45

1dayatatime · 30/06/2024 18:41

@TheShellBeach

"Ashamed to be associated with racists."

Should someone voting Labour be ashamed to be associated with anti semites?

Why would Labour voters be ashamed to vote for a party which elected a leader who vowed to purge antisemitism from the party, expelled members for antisemitism and established a zero tolerance of antisemitism in the party?

If Reform want to get rid of Farage and follow Labour's example to expunge racism from Reform, that would be great.

But instead Reform keep fielding candidates with extreme racist views (and misogynistic and homophobic) attempting to minimise it as 'pub banter'.

So why do you keep bringing up Labour as though it's a gotcha?

TwigletsAndRadishes · 30/06/2024 18:46

Teamarugula · 30/06/2024 14:42

I mean, a Reform canvasser recently said migrants (ie refugees) should be shot at the border and called Sunak a racial slur and justified it as ‘mates down the pub talk’ ie that he thinks it’s normal in those circles to talk/think like that…

The Reform party is pretty new. Do you think that before it existed, those racist and xenophobic people didn't exist in number in the UK? Do you think they've been rattling around for the last fifty years voting for no-one? Or do you think at some point they might have supported one or other of the mainstream parties? It's pretty naive to assume there are no racists in any other parties but Reform.

It's just that a certain section of the media goes to enormous lengths to discredit Reform (and the Tories) by doing everything it can to find, encourage and then record the worst behaviour from the worst pondlife among their supporters or their candidates and use that as evidence for the whole party being rotten and borderline fascist. It was the same with Brexit. A cynical, concerted policy of filtering out the voices of anyone articulate, intelligent, measured and moderate, to give the impression that they literally didn't exist, in favour of putting the knuckle draggers and the thickos front and centre every single time.

The simple fact is that Reform doesn't even meet the criteria to be considered a 'far right' party, let alone as a Fascist one. Compare them to the past history of the National Rally in France, for example and there is no comparison. Yet millions of disillusioned French people will be voting for the NR today, not because they are all racists, but because they are ordinary working people who for one reason or another feel let down by Macron, the metropolitan elite and the EU. This parliamentary election is France's Brexit moment. Leaving the EU for us was hard enough. It's much harder to do when you are in the Euro, so this is the French people sending a message that while they may not be leaving any time soon, they won't continue to kowtow to the EU's every demand either.

It's funny because when the Brexit debate was going on, all the Remainers were saying 'look we know it's not always perfect but we can't change it if we aren't in it. We should stay in and campaign to change things from inside.' (like no-one had already thought of trying that, and banged their head against the wall, so given up. )

Now, I notice that people are saying of Marine Le Pen 'Watch her, she's dangerous. She's dropped Frexit from her manifesto but she's still massively EU-sceptic and she'll just try to destroy it from the inside.'

So if people are aggrieved and feel ill-served by aspects of EU membership, what exactly is an acceptable way to challenge it? Clearly, if you are asking the evangelical disciples of Brussels, there isn't one.

So will the racist thugs in France be voting for the NR? Of course they will. But they won't be the only people voting for them. Not by a very long shot. This is the direct consequence of arrogant people at the top consistently and repeatedly not listening to the valid concerns of the 'little people' they lord it over. It's potentially dangerous and worrying for France of course, but it's too late to hand wring over that now. The peasants are revolting and the French elite can't say they weren't warned. Same in Germany, the Netherlands and elsewhere in Europe.

So back to Reform, look, people who are racist are going to vote for someone, so it stands to reason that they will vote for the party which promises to be most hardline on immigration, because racists don't tend to like immigration. But frankly, lots of people are uncomfortable with the unprecedented levels of immigration in recent years (and its very obvious consequences) including plenty of people who are of immigrant heritage themselves. To be concerned about immigration (both legal and illegal) is not racist in and of itself.

One of the biggest reasons to vote for Reform in my opinion is that they seem to genuinely understand and acknowledge the truth of exactly what's required to sort out the NHS and to retain our doctors and nurses. No-one else seems to have a clue.

ACarefulTraveller · 30/06/2024 18:48

e Reform party is pretty new. Do you think that before it existed, those racist and xenophobic people didn't exist in number in the UK? Do you think they've been rattling around for the last fifty years voting for no-one? Or do you think at some point they might have supported one or other of the mainstream parties

Before Reform, a lot of them were in THE BNP.

Justcallmebebes · 30/06/2024 18:50

And, leaving aside who actually said it, my philosophy is that I may not agree with what you say, but I agree with your right to say it. We live in a democracy and should be very, very grateful for that and each reserve the right to vote how we feel fit without facing utter vitriol for our personal views, whatever they may be

Moveoverdarlin · 30/06/2024 18:50

That’s the beauty of a ballot, no one will know they’re ‘racist’ will they? Unless they tell people. Thats why everyone was shocked over Brexit, many people voted leave (including me) but don’t mention it at dinner parties or school gates for fear of being labelled racist or backward or thick or chavs.

TwigletsAndRadishes · 30/06/2024 18:52

ACarefulTraveller · 30/06/2024 18:48

e Reform party is pretty new. Do you think that before it existed, those racist and xenophobic people didn't exist in number in the UK? Do you think they've been rattling around for the last fifty years voting for no-one? Or do you think at some point they might have supported one or other of the mainstream parties

Before Reform, a lot of them were in THE BNP.

Yes they were. But the BNP was a joke of a party which never really got any momentum going and had virtually no seats in parliament as I recall.

ACarefulTraveller · 30/06/2024 18:53

Justcallmebebes · 30/06/2024 18:50

And, leaving aside who actually said it, my philosophy is that I may not agree with what you say, but I agree with your right to say it. We live in a democracy and should be very, very grateful for that and each reserve the right to vote how we feel fit without facing utter vitriol for our personal views, whatever they may be

Do people have the right to say black people are savages? That gay people are nonces? That women are parasites? And not face any condemnation for it? Free speech is one thing, hate speech another. And no one standing for parliament has the right to spew hate speech with impunity.