Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

[TheShellBeach]

They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

How did you still miss the point? Point was me saying "mass immigration from Muslim countries" does not mean "most immigrants come from Muslim countries"

And you people call reform voters slow and gammons etc

@ACarefulTraveller

"Why would Labour voters be ashamed to vote for a party which elected a leader who vowed to purge antisemitism from the party, expelled members for antisemitism and established a zero tolerance of antisemitism in the party?"

Because many still believe that antisemitism has not been purged from the Labour Party just hidden. Equally if Reform did a purge of racists there would be many who would continue to believe that racism had not been purged from Reform just hidden.

Sorry could you tell me what they are doing for me, a woman? Could you articulate how my four year old daughter will grow up safer under a Reform government, one in which Andrew Tate is lauded?

Sure, but if they follow Labour's steps - new leader, expulsion of racists, strong party discipline on the issue - then they can credibly defend themselves against those suspicions.

One week before the election and Reform have been forced to drop three more extremist racist candidates just this week. How did they get this far? Why so many more racists in Reform than antisemites in Labour?

Right now, Reform have admitted their candidates weren't vetted. Not the case for Labour. We just don't know what else is going to emerge because Reform have not done due diligence and have not created an environment in which racism is treated seriously within their party. Unlike Labour.

Who's talking about hate speech? Only you. The point of that quote is that we are very, very lucky to live in a democracy and can vote how we feel fit. Your views may not align with mine, who knows? But the point is we are all different and have different needs/wants and someone voting for a legitimate party you don't agree with does not make that person a frothing at the mouth racist/misogynist/thick or whatever slur you perceive them to be

Exactly.

It's not a slur to identify racist comments as racist. If someone votes Reform, they're voting for a party whose candidates and activists have used racial, misogynistic and homophobic slurs against others. To say that is racist isn't a slur. It's not antidemocratic to point out that racism is racism.

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Because it worked so well as a way of dissuading people from voting for Brexit, didn't it? 😂

That sounds a teensy bit racist to me.

Should have replied 'yes the lower end of the IQ would but probably only those under 80IQ everyone else knows that's their limit

If you could hear him talk @1dayatatime you would know that he's vociferously racist, anti immigrant, homophobic, misogynist etc.

He's happy to vote for the candidate because he is white and a man.
It's not white male immigrants he's against in any number.

And here lies the problem. The poster you are insulting was raising valid points that need to be considered and FUNDED. Yet you accuse them of racism. Stop trying to silence other views with this accusation. It is totally unfounded in your most recent example.

You're still not getting it so I won't labour the point, but in equal measure, many won't vote for a party with a track record of anti seminitism or who refuse to defend women's rights, but we are free to vote for whoever we please and should not face rabid vitriol from others who don't align to our views

I wasn't insulting the poster.
I was just taking issue with her "I'm not a racist but......." comment.

Bang on!
'Racist,' 'stupid', 'uneducated', 'idiots'. All these crazy unfounded insults towards people - is a way of silencing people.
WAKE UP! By trying to silence people, you're pushing them further to these kind of parties. It's a vicious cycle!

@ACarefulTraveller

"One week before the election and Reform have been forced to drop three more extremist racist candidates just this week. How did they get this far? Why so many more racists in Reform than antisemites in Labour? "

I don't understand- Reform have deselected three candidates for racist views / comments. What would you rather have happened- that they didn't de select them?

How do you know that there are more racists in Reform than anti semites in Labour? People with abhorrent unacceptable views tend to keep them hidden, plus Labour is a larger political party so statistically one would expect more anti semites than racists in Reform.

OK, I won't labour it either as we're clearly talking at cross purposes. I just don't agree that it's vitriol to point out racist language and sentiments when they emerge, or to point out that they are emerging from Reform at a very high rate. So people voting for them should really acknowledge that.

@TwigletsAndRadishes

"Because it worked so well as a way of dissuading people from voting for Brexit, didn't it? 😂"

Exactly- and it seems to be having the same effect on support for Reform which keeps climbing.

No I doubt this too, however, it seems it’s only Reform voters that spout lies..apparently.

My question is how did those three make it this far without being deselected until days before the election? Three being exposed in the final week is really disturbing. Of course it's good that Reform have disowned them now, but for three to be revealed as racists at this stage has got to raise a lot of questions about the party as a whole.

Some posters on this thread need to open their eyes on what is happening throughout Europe…the lurch to the (far) right is being driven by sanctimonious liberals in their ivory towers who are not impacted by the societal problems being created and patronising their fellow citizens who ARE being impacted all whilst labelling them racists for daring to ask for a discussion on how they are being impacted. Pathetic.

It’s one person who was not affiliated with Reform, he was a volunteer. Every party has at least one dick head, it’s not representative of most of Reform voters.

Really? Who though? Can you name them as I can’t seem to find this info from a google search.