Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

Because they have the emotional intelligence of a carrot and believe that all the country's problems are caused by foreigners whilst simultaneously moaning about the NHS blissfully ignoring the fact that so many staff in the NHS are those foreigners.

Or plain old simple common garden racists who aren't even ashamed of it.

But it is racist to say the things that Reform candidates and activists keep saying.

It isn't racist to not want hordes of young men illegally entering the country with no papers

It is racist to call Rishi Sunak a fucking *p .... though.

It isn't racist to what net zero immigration. I find it hard to believe that no labour or conservative voters express racist views from time to time. I also wouldn't be surprised if the racist who was recorded was a plant. I don't support them but unless they put shotting migrants on the manifesto you can say all their supporters believe this.

Or plain old simple common garden racists who aren't even ashamed of it

They're not, are they.
It's horrifying.

@EarthlyNightshade I honestly don't know if they'll sort out the problem but I do believe labour will make it worse, the tories have had long enough, Lib Dem's will let anyone in and the same with the Green Party.

If I'm honest I don't think any party can sort out this mess now because it's been out of control for too long.

Asking Enoch Powell to back UKIP? Was UKIP a thing in his lifetime?

Reform UK candidate disowns the party over racism row.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c98qvddx78nt

So a number of Labour candidates have been suspended in the past for anti semetic comments.

Does this mean that anyone now voting Labour is also "thick, anti semetic, terrorists supporters " ?

No it doesn't - in just the same way that unacceptable racist comments by Reform campaigner does not make anyone considering voting for Reform a racist or a fascist.

When will the "left leaning intellectual elite " understand that insulting Reform voters as "thick" or racist is not exactly the smartest or the most compelling counter argument to Reform. All it will achieve is a backlash of more support for Reform.

One person who does not represent the party.

Bang on - people always think their views are superior instead of accepting their views sit alongside other views.

Some of the wisest people I know are considering reform. I'm more worried about how 'educated' those that seeks to belittle these voters are... because surely educated people can see the wider picture of discontent??Imagine calling someone thick and racist without them saying a racist word, purely because of their political preference...

Reform have the most sensible ideas around NHS workers and the NHS system. As someone who works for the Local Authority, my budget on interpreters increases by 15% minimum per year. That's money spent before we even support people. I'm not referring to 'brown skin' people, this refers to a whole spectrum of people. To suggest immigration doesn't need any controls is ludicrous. Some (not all) foreign countries do normalise violence against women, domestic abuse figures are through the roof.

We need to let people think for themselves. Calling reform voters thick, creates further us and them and strengthens the reform fanbase.

I totally give up on mainstream parties. I will spoil my ballot. I dont agree with tactical voting because I do not support Labour. Starmer is not someone I will support.

Labour voters.... forget about the antisemitism in the labour party.... that's still live. Or is that a different type of racism that is allowed?

My point is that by supporting someone who speaks favourably of Andrew Tate, you are not protecting women and girls from sexual harassment and sexual violence, regardless of their view on whether transwomen should be in female spaces.

That's literally what he was doing though.

Name a single Reform policy that is even remotely racist, please. The term has lost all meaning to me.

You mean what one person said? (Which is being investigated as being a plant)
But you are quite OK with a member of the Labour shadow cabinet calling women dinosaurs hording rights?
In that case why don't Labour supporters feel ashamed?

In 2019 a Tory candidate expressed racist views and was asked to step down:

amp.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/11/tory-candidate-anthony-browne-faces-calls-quit-over-disgusting-racism

Does this now mean that anyone voting Tory is a racist and thick?

Labour changed leader and elected Starmer to root out antisemitism from the party. They are different to Corbyn's Labour and I can now vote for them again without feeling this endorses antisemitism.

If Reform get rid of Farage and choose a leader committed to purging racism from their ranks, it won't be racist to vote for them. That hasn't happened yet.

Wasn’t that the stooge, the actor doing a bad impression of what he wanted people to think Reform is. The Channel 4 undercover setup?

No, I'm referring to the multiple racist (also homophobic) statements made by multiple Reform candidates and activists. I've cited them over and over in this thread. There are a lot! And they come from a whole range of people within the party.

Of course it wasn't.
Farage wants people to think that, but Channel 4 have strongly refuted it.

Well he wasn't a stooge and it wasn't a setup. So no!

Layla Moran was arrested for domestic violence:

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/layla-moran-set-to-withdraw-from-liberal-democrat-leadership-race-following-revelations-she-was-arrested-for-assaulting-a-boyfriend-a4141586.html

Does this now mean anyone voting Lib Dem is a supporter of domestic violence?

No I mean the Gender Recognition Certificate. (GRC).

I'm not sure how adding biological sex changes anything. The EA already gives women the right to separate sex facilities.

No. It just means that anyone voting for the Lib Dems hasn't got much sense.

Yes it's being investigated as electoral interference. Channel 4 could be in very big trouble.
I commented this a couple of days ago but was handed my arse