Why aren't Reform voters ashamed?

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They don't seem to care that everyone will know they're racists.

It seems incredible to me that people are open about voting for them.

Assuming that even some of the claims made in this video are true, then Farage isn’t someone I could vote for in a million years. And given that Farage owns Reform, I couldn’t vote for any of the other Reform candidates either.

https://x.com/ByDonkeys/status/1797651718852804923?t=E0q7Ol_4y82PamFAXs5f2Q&s=19

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-loses-temper-live-33137314.amp

I missed this story. Interesting what you discounted of what Phillips said:

He told Mr Farage: " I know intuitively when somebody doesn't like me because my colour. That's not you." After the Reform UK leader agreed he said:"But actually, I wonder if you're doing something worse than that.....you've got a project and you're prepared to use any means at all, including fanning the flames of prejudice to advance that project.

"Which is why you will turn a blind eye to people who use words like p*, people who talk about racial issues in general."

Not just a 'few'.

41 candidates found to be FB friends with a known far right figure. I saying we should have negotiated with Hitler. Another using a disgusting racist slur against our PM. This is what Reform stands for and those voting for them are no better.

If you're voting for Reform, be proud for what you stand for. Or are you scared to air your views openly, in front of colleagues, friends, neighbours?

JFC never watched that before
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Goodness me, how moving that Farage might have cast off his youthful racism at school where he celebrated Hitler, revelled in his NF initials, taunted Jewish students about ovens and is remembered by teachers and students alike as unashamedly racist (teenage foibles, am I right? Because don't all teenagers go through a fascist stage?) - to now NOT be so racist but just happy to stoke racism in others in order to advance his own power and influence. I can see why that poster was so touched by Phillips' words, it really warms the heart doesn't it to see just how far Farage has come since those days?

Because this country is racist to all fuck.

I dont believe the 'I am just looking for an alternative' because there are other parties than Reform. You could vote independent, green, libdem.

Don't forget that people as a whole are quite thick.

This is how Trump got in. They spin a lie that somehow, Farage is standing up to sone kind of establishment when he IS the establishment.

Like conspiracy theories, it makes people with very small lives feel like they are somehow part of something bigger.

He didn't even just turn a blind eye to it. Despite them being removed from his company he still endorsed them and told people to vote for them.

@cupcaske123

"Push backs are against Maritime law and the Refugee Convention."

And even if Farage then says we will change Maritime law or resign from the Refugee Convention it doesn't solve the issue if France simply says no.

In which case the only solution is to let people drown in the channel which aside from the humanitarian angle, images of dead children washing up on the Kent coastline is not going to look good in national or international press.

I'm afraid that is not true. I have some Jewish friends in the next city over from me, who were involved and active in their local CLP. Once Corbyn was elected (and I voted for him, thought he would be great) it emboldened some of the antisemites in their CLP to be more vocal. My friends were shocked, fought back, but the people concerned were very careful not to be being SEEN to be AS.

My friends left the LP over this, as did I. It was a wakeup call to me, as a non Jew, as to how insidious AS is, and how much it bubbles around under the surface. Just like misogyny really. People can say what they think society finds acceptable, but when things shift their real views become evident.

The far left is populated with people who have a problem with Jews and uppity women who refuse to uncritically accept what they say.

Tbf pre Brexit it was a very small amount. And the EU are not happily turning people back under the same policy

Hence their issues and France showing dissatisfaction in votes

What do you mean by turning people back? You mean forcing them back into war zones and to face persecution?

I mean Brexit is a very low consideration when it comes to what’s possible between EU countries

The other EU countries do not have Brexit and the Dublin convention is not an answer for them, hence the general shift in politics

I find that hard to believe, reform voters are largely not racist at all. In fact, many black brits as well as many Asian British are voting reform. Shouting racist is a very obvious tactic to shame and bully and coerce people into not voting for the party that aligns most with what they want for their future. Undoubtedly there are a small minority of racists in this country, they will vote for various parties including reform, labour and conservative.

Well, Liam Booth-Isherwood who was standing as a Reform candidate has now withdrawn because of the widespread racism throughout Reform along with Farage's failure to take it seriously and deal with it.

That's a lot of candidates in recent days who have left Reform due to racism - the three who were dropped for racist comments, the two who were dropped for their links to the BNP and now this one who's left because he doesn't want to be associated with racists any longer.

That's not happening in any other party. There have not been multiple candidates embroiled in racism scandals or denouncing party racism in any other party. It's a Reform problem.

We live in a democracy and people can vote whoever they want

What do black and asian members prove? Racism isn’t limited to ‘white Brit’s’ only.

Also people of any race are capable of personal motivation that overrides any sense of facing the starker truth and accepting their place in a pecking order whilst knowing deep down that they’re only tolerated as token evidence because they won’t challenge the status quo of the group they’re seeking to be part of.

If they want to be taken seriously as a party that isn’t racist, Reform can absolutely do that. They won’t though, because they’d alienate a large portion of their support.

This little tune pretty much sums up what those on the receiving end of the increasingly ineffectual attempts to shame people with terms like 'racist' and 'far right' think of it.

Of course they can and other people can judge them for doing so.

Of course they can. People are allowed to vote for a party riddled with racism, whose members express violent and racist statements. I'm not advocating to take the vote away from Reform supporters and I accept that racist people can stand for parliament and that people can vote for them, though I'm glad Essex police are investigating the hate speech captured by Channel 4 as no one has a right to break the law.

What I really object to is the whining about other people pointing out racism where it exists. If someone wants to support a party that has been engulfed by so many racist scandals, they can - but they can't complain about other people noticing the racism and talking about it.

We seem to get people here arguing that if you identify racism, you will upset racists and they will be more racist as a result. I think it's more dangerous to ignore racism in the interests of preserving the feelings of racists or those who endorse racism. Farage seeks to normalise racism and categorise it as 'how ordinary people talk' and 'what everyone thinks really'. I think we should object to that, even if some Reform supporters get upset about it.

But yeah, anyone who wants to vote for them has the right to vote for them. Democracy thrives on debate, so expect people who find Reform abhorrent to argue their case. We've got a right to point out the evidence of racist speech from Reform candidates and members, just like anyone has the right to vote for those candidates (the ones left in the party by Thursday that is, since Reform is losing them at a very high rate!)

Of what?

The left is populated by Jewish women, ironically the group most likely to be expelled by Starmer's Labour for antisemitism.

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Another reform candidate has defected over racism/misogyny. Anyone trying to deny the issue is willingly blinding themselves at this point.

She is reported as saying that the "vast majority" of Reform candidates are "racist, misogynistic and bigoted" and criticised "the failure of the Reform Party’s leadership to tackle this issue in any meaningful way, and their attempts to instead try to brush it under the carpet or cry foul play."

My goodness are they really, apparently we have to try and understand them and their voters as unlike other Voters they are some kind of misunderstood group of people that need everyone’s special attention.