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General election 2024

Labour hate people like me

623 replies

Meadowtrees · 30/06/2024 09:05

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

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VimtoVimto · 30/06/2024 10:47

Bigearringsbigsmile · 30/06/2024 10:43

Cor....Conservative HQ are busy on mumsnet lately aren't they? All these anti Labour propaganda posts!!!

The world will END under Labour!!!!!!

I’m quite pleased to hear that we have 100 days for the world to end under Labour. I was quite concerned it was going to happen on Friday morning and I’ve plans for next week.

OSU · 30/06/2024 10:47

@Strugglingtodomybest so sorry, I should have been clearer. My post was responding to the corruption bit not the richer getting richer bit.

Blahblah34 · 30/06/2024 10:48

Catastrophising over Labour isn't particularly helpful to anyone. If you're that worried I suggest you join an alternative political party who better represents your views and then campaign for a viable alternative to Labour.

E.g. join the Tories and voting for a leadership candidate who has the ability to reinvigorate the One Nation centre of the party and prevent the instinctive lurch to the right which will inevitably follow the election.

Because if the Tory party can't sort themselves to make themselves electable again, that's on them, not Labour.

OSU · 30/06/2024 10:49

Kendodd · 30/06/2024 10:40

I'm in a very similar position and can't wait for a Labour Government. I'm old enough to remember the last one and how much better life was for ordinary people. Even, what should be the simplest of things, like getting a dentist, was so much easier. I can't think of a single thing that is better under the Tories. We're higher earners, teen children, business owners and landlords.

The population was a heck of a lot smaller. Tony Blair says one of the things he regrets was not vetoing free movement of people within the EU. He also regretted FOI act.

VoteOutToHelpOut · 30/06/2024 10:52

spuddy4 · 30/06/2024 10:44

I don't understand everyone saying how good things were under the last labour government. There was no money left for the next government and they sold the countries gold reserves so they obviously couldn't balance the books any better than the Tories.

Oh gawd. Not the no money thing again!

MrsSkylerWhite · 30/06/2024 10:53

Meadowtrees · Today 09:20
Spinet - no, I can’t. I don’t want my life to get worse - who does? My concern is my kids and their future.

Do you understand that that is the concern of most people, including those far worse off than your family? Which is precisely why the current government needs to go.

We’re well off and if the things you suggest come to fruition no doubt we’ll pay more tax. Quite happy to do so if it translates into improved public services for everyone.

Lindos1 · 30/06/2024 10:56

I agree OP.
Lots of condescension on here towards you.
I think we're going to go from very bad to very much worse, & I feel really quite sick about it all.

Zonder · 30/06/2024 10:57

Theseventhmagpie · 30/06/2024 10:39

So you subscribe to the Telegraph then?….

Yeah sure, I'm their biggest fan 🤔

Or do I read their articles online (there's always a way...)

Darhon · 30/06/2024 10:58

Overthebow · 30/06/2024 09:49

I agree op. We’re in the bracket that will get hit a lot by this. We both work very hard, both have good jobs that we’ve worked hard studying for and gaining promotions, had shorter mat leaves than I’d have liked and gone back to work and my generation have been hit by high student fees and loans, high house prices, high childcare fees and years of wage stagnation and it’s taken a lot of effort to claw our way up from this. If services for everyone we’re going to be significantly improved and if the disabled we’re going to be better off then I would have less of an issue with it as long as everyone pays higher taxes, but I don’t think this is the case as labour have already said they are going to be looking at sickness benefits and don’t seem to have a credible plan to improve services, so I object very much to being targeted for higher taxes on top of all the other things that have made it harder for my generation. Let someone else take the hit for once, we’ve had enough.

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I imagine you’re my age as I’ve done all of those things as well. I definitely pay more tax now as the tories froze the income thresholds. Consequently they have the largest tax revenues coming in since the 1940s. You’re already paying more taxes. But to a party that doesn’t prioritise health, education etc as they are led by people who just don’t use these things and want the nhs to be privatised.

Blinky21 · 30/06/2024 10:58

The VAT on private schools is hardly a tax on education. Why should poorer families fund a tax break for richer children to get an education that they are themselves not getting?
I am not a Labour voter but, It's hard to argue that life in the UK wasn't better under a Labour government last time. I am lucky enough to earn a decent salary, I am poorer under the Conservatives due to austerity driven wage stagnation and inflation, but I know thousands are immeasurably worse off. If a Labour government makes life better for them, then I support it. Public services, which make life better for everyone, need investment and as a higher earner I have no issue with playing my part

Fargo79 · 30/06/2024 11:03

We're probably in roughly the same economic bracket as you, OP. But I think that's where the similarities end because you seem to have been captured by an ideology that is a million miles from my own.

I definitely feel that I'm in the "squeezed middle" but cannot for the life of me understand why you would fear this under a new government when it's been the reality for the last 14 years. Despite our income creeping up, our standard of living has nosedived during the Tory years. It makes no sense to be hand-wringing over a Labour government when this has been life under the Tories for over a decade.

I also wholeheartedly reject the notion that people who have higher than average incomes have a monopoly on hard work and ambition. That's a mindset that you identify with which isn't based in reality, and ultimately it's why you feel the way you do about the incoming Labour government. You have an "I'm alright Jack" outlook and you prop this up with a healthy dose of contempt for the less well off, who you feel don't work as hard as you and are therefore undeserving of support. Of course if that's your value base, you will always fear a government that seeks to support the most vulnerable.

OSU · 30/06/2024 11:05

How on earth are people funding a 'tax break' on private education?! If the annual amount a child gets for state school is say £3k, that's £3k not taken up when someone puts their child into private school.

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:10

hopscotcher · 30/06/2024 09:23

So what have the Tories done in their years of government that makes you feel comfortable and reassured?
Also, 'Labour intend to remove women's rights' is a bit sweeping, surely?!

I heard Labour are going to force women into pens and feed them apples. That's what they mean by 'womens spaces'. I have daughters and really don't want that for them.

80smonster · 30/06/2024 11:11

TinyYellow · 30/06/2024 09:29

I believe Labour will make my family’s life worse too OP. People are trying to convince themselves that Labour are credible just because they want the tories out.

Yep, we feel the same. There is a lot of anger at the current government, people aren’t wrong to feel that way. However what unfolds next will undoubtedly have far reaching consequences for the many not the few. Many Labour voters don’t seem to have grasped that much cash will have to be raised to fund the wonderful plans Labour has outlined, what they have not outlined is how they/we will pay for it all. Higher taxes for everyone are on the way, this can only be a good thing given how unhappy many are, lots seem to assume only others will be burdened by higher tax rates, which seems totally implausible given the plans.

Pombearprincess · 30/06/2024 11:12

I sympathise over your worry about VAT as you work in a small private school. We have a family member who has the same concerns. I certainly don’t think it will raise any revenue. Families either won’t be able to afford it and will move the child to state, or they will cut down on something else, you can’t spend the same money twice.

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:15

80smonster · 30/06/2024 11:11

Yep, we feel the same. There is a lot of anger at the current government, people aren’t wrong to feel that way. However what unfolds next will undoubtedly have far reaching consequences for the many not the few. Many Labour voters don’t seem to have grasped that much cash will have to be raised to fund the wonderful plans Labour has outlined, what they have not outlined is how they/we will pay for it all. Higher taxes for everyone are on the way, this can only be a good thing given how unhappy many are, lots seem to assume only others will be burdened by higher tax rates, which seems totally implausible given the plans.

The alternative is no investment. We need to raise money to pay for things in order to have a functioning society.

80smonster · 30/06/2024 11:18

OSU · 30/06/2024 11:05

How on earth are people funding a 'tax break' on private education?! If the annual amount a child gets for state school is say £3k, that's £3k not taken up when someone puts their child into private school.

State contribution/funding per school place is between £4,600-£6,000 depending on school type. It’s hard to see how many deciding to take the state contribution will save the state any cash in the end. I guess we will see!

ssd · 30/06/2024 11:19

Honestly, some of the ridiculous scaremongering going on from tory HQ, designed to scare the daft wimmin on mumsnet, is just getting tiresome.

How anyone can say the things you are saying about labour when 14 years of the tories have left this country broken and in the dirt....words fail me.

AutumnDragon · 30/06/2024 11:21

I have never voted Labour and never will.

I do, however, believe that if they get in they will make a big difference to a lot of headline issues.

But, I also remember the note that was found on the Treasury desk when Conservatives took over.

"I'm afraid there is no money. Good Luck"

So the Conservatives started 14 years ago with no money and an increased level of debt. They also weathered issues we could not predict such as the war in Ukraine and Covid.

The UK is not the only country in Europe suffering badly with a COL crisis, so staying in the EU would also not have been a greater benefit.

Yes, the Conservatives made errors - show me ANY government that hasn't

Labour hate me and I'm very worried about what the futures holds for us. DH and I both run our own small businesses. The way we structure our staff allows us to employ SAHMs as the work is flexible. So I am also very worried about our staff, but if our other costs go up we will have to let some or all go.

If Labour (or any government) removes the right to sell your main residence free of CGT, then the housing market will stall. (DH's business will then fail and so the circle goes on). House prices will not fall, most people just won't move.

If they lower the threshold for businesses to register for VAT it won't affect the business, we won't pay VAT, in fact, it means we can claim back the VAT on purchases. It does mean we have to put up our prices by 20% though. Businesses are just VAT collectors for the government.

So, headline grabbing statements such as they won't raise Income Tax, VAT etc are just a smokescreen for all the other ways they are going to tax you.

I don't think I can vote Conservative, I definitely can't vote for Labour (as they hate me) or Reform. None of the other parties stand a chance of winning either locally or nationally.

I am currently the most worried I have ever been

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:21

ssd · 30/06/2024 11:19

Honestly, some of the ridiculous scaremongering going on from tory HQ, designed to scare the daft wimmin on mumsnet, is just getting tiresome.

How anyone can say the things you are saying about labour when 14 years of the tories have left this country broken and in the dirt....words fail me.

The place seems overrun with shills. It's as though people can't actually see the state of the country and the fact that the Tories are responsible for the state of women's rights now. It's like a cult.

SeriaMau · 30/06/2024 11:23

ilovesooty · 30/06/2024 09:41

Oh dear. I can't believe anyone seriously thinks this.

I don’t.

Hoppinggreen · 30/06/2024 11:24

cupcaske123 · 30/06/2024 11:10

I heard Labour are going to force women into pens and feed them apples. That's what they mean by 'womens spaces'. I have daughters and really don't want that for them.

That is ridiculous, no way will Labour do that.
They won't have any single sex spaces

RitaFromThePitCanteen · 30/06/2024 11:25

You know the current situation with men who identify as women being allowed access to women's spaces? That happened under Tory rule. They've been in power for 14 years. It all happened under them. All of it.

Cooper77 · 30/06/2024 11:25

I know how you feel. I dread a Labour government.

People forget how hate-filled and destructive the left can be. Listen to a stand up routine by Frankie Boyle, for example. My partner is a big fan of Boyle (who describes himself as more left-wing than Chomsky), and so I've seen many of his shows. Like so many on the left, he seems to be motivated by bitterness and hatred, which he disguises as sympathy for the poor. Socialism attracts such people. It's perfect. Not only does it tell them that their failure and unhappiness isn't their fault, it's 'the system', but it also promises revenge. Just wait until the revolution, or until we gain power, then you'll see. Of course, they don't use that language. They talk about 'justice' instead.

The left have this vague enemy, onto whom they project all their bitterness and hatred, and who then becomes the target for their spite. A lot of people who vote Labour are actually despised by the party itself. If you are mildly patriotic, middle(ish) class, own your own home, read the Daily Mail, don't want houses built on the green belt, resent people who exploit the welfare system, and think immigration is out of control, Labour are not on your side. You might vote for them, because you think we need a change, and because you consider yourself moderate and reasonable, but you'll get a government that hates you.

Take house-building as an example. Now it's true that we have a housing shortage, and obviously people need somewhere to live. But having talked to left-wingers, I get the impression that what they really want to do is not provide the poor with somewhere to live, but ruin the lives of middle-class NIMBYs. They love to imagine some middle-class couple having social housing flats built on the field next door, ideally with a few 'problem families' whose kids terrorize the neighbourhood and ruin those NIMBY's lives.

Immigration is another example. Any sane, rational person can see that these boatloads of fit young men are undocumented migrants, not refugees. Refugees tend to be women, children and the elderly. If you allow tens of thousands of undocumented young men into a country (many of them, no doubt, criminals fleeing the police), it's going to cause problems. But the left welcome those problems. So long as it upsets the Daily Mail NIMBYs, that's enough.

Another example is cancel culture. I don't believe that the woke left really care about 'offensive' passages in a Jane Austen novel. When they demand Austen's novels be removed from schools, or that passages in Roald Dahl's books be re-written, etc, what they really enjoy is upsetting their fans. Same goes for vandalising statues of Winston Churchill. They don't really care about some remark he made in 1927 (probably taken out of context). They just enjoy seeing the horrible Daily Mail NIMBYs getting upset when his statue is covered in graffiti.

I remember Roger Scruton saying that he was in Paris in 1968 during the uprising. He was left-wing himself at the time (I believe) and so mingled with the crowd asking them their views and so on. When he spoke to the students involved, all he got back was a load of pseudo-intellectual Marxist gibberish. And it suddenly dawned on him that they weren't really interested in politics at all – they were just enjoying smashing windows and upsetting people. That's the left in a nutshell.

NotTerfNorCis · 30/06/2024 11:25

Why woule the cost of care increase? I'd expect the opposite - more investment in adult social care