Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

Fair enough but I was copying the list because those are my views and I hate duplication of efforts! ;)

You are speaking utter rubbish.

They created Brexit- the whole, shambolic mess of it and have lied about it continually since. It has cost us billions of public debt and grossly inflated prices.

Their decisions pre-pandemic about preparation for it, and during the pandemic about what they did re: PPE and 'EatOut To Help Out' and their lax systems for doling out and re-claiming funding were a huge source of wasted billions of public monies- much if which they tipped into the bank accounts of their cronies.

Gordon Brown is held in the highest regard for his actions by many economists world wide- the Tories love to paint him badly. It was a world-wide crisis, not a Labour Party crisis.

The NI fund is in credit by £140 millions+ - they could have chosen to use some of that to raise State Pensions- now the lowest in Western Europe. Instead they used it to reduce NI contributions to benefit the most wealthy and gave not a single penny to pensioners- who do not pay NI so were even more disadvantaged.

Other countries have faced the same Putin, Israel/Palestine wars and have much lower energy prices and much faster recovering economies than ours. We don't because our energy and water companies are owned by people who have drained profits from increased prices and pocketed them - billions. The Tories encouraged them.

The Tories are sleazy, money greedy, corrupt and have pushed our public services to the point of collapse, put more children into poverty than in any country in Western Europe, whilst increasing the wealth of the richest faster than at any point in history.

"They created Brexit- the whole, shambolic mess of it and have lied about it continually since. It has cost us billions of public debt and grossly inflated prices. "

Quite. Have people forgotten Gove, Johnson, Davis, Hannan, Mogg, Hayes, Patel, Francois, Baker, Frost etc selling us sunlit uplands, easiest trade deals in history, we hold all the cards, and most of all continued access to the single market. Don't worry the German car manufacturers will step in!
The ERG was at the wheel of Government throughout. Charlatans.

Brown's handling of this was universally seen as hugely detrimental and he's admitted some culpability too and apologised since:

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/business/finance-strategy/ifs-blasts-browns-financial-mismanagement

IFS : “Mr Brown is fond of reminding us that this has been a global financial crisis. However the UK … has experienced a worse deterioration in its fiscal position than many other industrialised countries.”

Actually Cameron went with the referendum to appease Eurosceptics in his own party (a lot of them complete tossers, tbf) and counter the rising popularity of UKIP. He clearly believed it would be a way to unite the CP. Also, he was looking to renegotiate some of the terms and thought the UK referendum would mean a stronger negotiating position with the EU. Little did he know that so many people in this country would be dumb enough to fall for the propaganda peddled by UKIP and people like Boris etc. It's ironic that the fact that people voted Brexit was to decrease immigration when all it meant less EU immigration (the number of people who did not realise the difference) but a MASSIVE increase in non-EU immigration.

Tbh never did I think people wouldn't see through the lies and vote Brexit but they did. I was misguided as was clearly Cameron and his inner team.

@lbwagain he still did it firstly for his own party then. I do think that's how our governing party has behaved over this past 14 years - party first, country second.

I’m a Labour supporter, and have voted for Labour. But, anyone that thinks much will change under Labour is deluded.

We are skint, in a total mess, with two foreign conflicts costing us money.

It will take years for anything to improve.🙄

At least they want to try and improve things.

I can't imagine what we'd end up like that another term of the current bunch.

I've never known tax as voluntary

Of course it's voluntary. If one doesn't want to pay it, just earn less. 😉

I was meaning more the principle of a cooperative, which is essentially what insurance is. The members do not set the premium, but they decide the level of risk. Taxpayers have this option too by placing an X in the appropriate box today. Some of those options will incur higher tax, and less risk, other options will incure the opposite.

Nobody forced Cameron's hand. He could have had a referendum without committing to acting on it (admittedly, this would have been unpopular), or campaigning more effectively, or by setting a higher bar. He could easily have said that the result needed to be 65% or above.

That referendum could have been run every day for a week and the result would have swung backwards and forwards each time.

Also, running away to let someone else clean up his mess is unforgivable.

The impact of Brexit far outweighs that of the pandemic by the government's own figures.

Marxism is great until they run out of other people's money. This gov't is utter filth. I detest every one of the third rate Cabinet.

Me too
We have been hammered by Labour and now DH has lost his job but isn't entitled to any help.
I won't ever forgive them.

You can't put that at the feet of this current Labour Government that all started on the 80s.
My exdh was never entitled to any support when he was ill -kidney failure/heart attack -and couldn't work because I worked. So had to work twice as much to pay everything but that was 20 years ago. He wasn't entitled to anything when he was made redundant in 2001.
That's why so many people work the system instead of actually working.

I can put my DH losing his job at the feet of Labour and us being hammered for tax etc.
Obviously I can't put lack of eligibility for benefits at their feet no. But they 100% have people like DH and I in their sights. No-one who isn't a union worker/on UC should be seriously worried, if they aren't already!

They’re like Shrodinger’s Party, aren’t they? simultaneously completly ineffectual AND destroyed the country in a year….

I've never said they are ineffectual. I've said they are shit and incompetent and that's what is destroying the economy. If the economy tanks then so do jobs, tax income and it becomes a doom loop.
Well under Labour employment has fallen, job market is shocking, recruitment freezes + redundancies etc. Inflation high and forecast to rise further.
Let alone the shitshow of everything else they touch.

That's not being ineffectual, it's being incompetent.

Interesting poll re: impact of Jezza

Just for a bit of balance we are the fastest growing economy in the G7, with an average unemployment rate. yes unemployment is rising but from a historic low. It’s currently about where it was in the boom years of the early 2000s

Yet it is shrinking

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/uk-economy-gdp-stats-may-recession-b2787001.html

Business confidence is at an all time low

https://www.iod.com/news/uk-economy/iod-press-release-economic-confidence-plummets-to-all-time-low/

It is Cameron’s fault for letting people make a decision on something they had no idea what the ramifications would be. That’s the point of a PM. He screwed up - I totally blame him. Most people who voted leave were pandering to a primal urge to get rid of immigrants. And now the country is fucked over financially and we’ve left the EU, people are still whining about immigrants.

I was just answering you post.