Labour hate people like me

[Meadowtrees]

I feel sick at the thought of how much our lives are going to change.

This is not a thread to bash or criticise people nervous about Labour. It’s a place for those of us who are feeling very anxious to have a bit of space - it’s not something we are ‘allowed’ to say in public without being called ‘scum’ ‘selfish tories’ or similar. I’m not particularly linked to any party and not sure how to vote, I may spoil my ballot.

Labour have made it very clear that they intend to make us poorer and our lives harder.
I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights
I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas
I work in a private school - enough said
I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.
We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Maybe it’s selfish but we’re screwed and I don’t expect that what we lose will be put to efficient or good use. It feels like we will be punished for having worked hard and being ambitious.

OP you will get slated, but you are talking sense. Small business owners also are very worried about what Labour will do.

It wasn't the Labour Party that put a Brexit vote in to appease the moronic 'little Englanders' in the party. Brexit did real, measurable damage to anyone in the UK who relied on exporting goods (including to my own business) and of course damaged the overall UK economy too.

It is the Conservatives who have destroyed the incentives to work. There are so many tax cliff-edges - such as with removing child benefit and the personal allowance that it makes sense for many to cut their hours.

These were all Conservative/coalition policies.

This!

How long ago was it that labour was in power? What have we seen since the time they were not? Is that any way to continue?

I am so sick and tired of left wing parties being blamed for the policies over which they barely (if any) had a say. It's either "the left" or immigrants who get the blame for the cost of living or a the lack of decent affordable housing or the declining availability of healthcare.

If left wing parties had been in power at all for the last 10 years or so, people might have had a point. But since they are not, can we please put the blame where it belongs?

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I think that Brexit has screwed your kids future far more than anything that Labour might do.

For lots of people the prospect of a Labour government brings hope for a fairer share
Yes as a family we will have to pay more tax ,but I come from a deprived background and am happy to pay more so poorer people can get helped out of poverty

Starmer and his team are people like us aren't they?

People who've often started off in very ordinary backgrounds, worked hard all their lives and progressed through the ranks, have children in education, use the NHS.

They're not generally Eton educated, Bullingdon boys, landed gentry, aristocrat's son-in-laws or people who had nannies.

Why would they hate us?
Why would they hate us more than people like Jacob Rees Mogg who referred to the man in the street as 'pot plants' they consider them so dumb or Boris Johnson who said 'Let the bodies pile high'?

@Meadowtrees i think our lives are similar ish (except I don’t work in a private school) and I feel completely different to you - I have not felt like the tories have helped me at all, quite the opposite. And I feel genuinely scared of them having any more power. My mortgage payments alone cripple me, and that comes after having been crippled by care fees for the last 10 years so that everything my parents worked hard for has been siphoned off into extortionate fees for inadequate care.

i don’t feel like I have a future under the tories. I work hard, I earn well, I try to do the best for my family, and my life gets harder and harder.

I would welcome a return to the economics and the public sector of the last Labour government

What is the definition of hardworking. How hard you work isn’t necessarily measured by how much you are paid.

I’ll also miss the Tory government. I’ll miss the excitement of wondering which scandal is next. Some of the worst decisions of the last fourteen years have been to appease the right wing of the party.

I’m not expecting miracles but I’m looking forward to good boring government.

Also - where do we get the impression that Labour is divisive and toxic? I don’t read the papers much so just see the debates and listen to the radio. The tories always seem so angry and bitter. Keir starmer is at least patient and tries to answer questions

I agree op. We’re in the bracket that will get hit a lot by this. We both work very hard, both have good jobs that we’ve worked hard studying for and gaining promotions, had shorter mat leaves than I’d have liked and gone back to work and my generation have been hit by high student fees and loans, high house prices, high childcare fees and years of wage stagnation and it’s taken a lot of effort to claw our way up from this. If services for everyone we’re going to be significantly improved and if the disabled we’re going to be better off then I would have less of an issue with it as long as everyone pays higher taxes, but I don’t think this is the case as labour have already said they are going to be looking at sickness benefits and don’t seem to have a credible plan to improve services, so I object very much to being targeted for higher taxes on top of all the other things that have made it harder for my generation. Let someone else take the hit for once, we’ve had enough.

A lot of churchviews long list were a sign of the times. Yes Blairs gvt did some good things but a lot was down to the global situation vs now, a lot would have happened under the tories too and some were actually not good. Brown spent money like no tomorrow, bloated benefits, sold our gold reserves, raided pension schemes

A lot of tax rises have happened under tories that I would normally attribute to Labour. Its only going to get worse maybe not in their first term but just wait. Their core vote is generally less wealthy (see browns benefits again) they hate people with money. Taxing the super super rich is fine maybe but their definition of rich is quite low and captures many people. But its a vote winner as everyone's definition of rich is someone with more than them

I mean, it’s a bit idealistic to expect people to put strangers needs above their own families.

Spinet .I agree ,lots of us are "tucked up" and live very comfortable lives! It is often those who have the most who dont want to share at all.I think of life as a bit of a race ,Those trailing behind need a "leg up" sometimes .I am currently ill with Cancer and having chemo.The Hospital (NHS) has been amazing.But only recently, in another hospital up north,a poor lady was told to wear her glasses to bed in case of theft! she said it wasnt clean in the toilets .and faced a difficult bus journey as well! i want everyone to have equal rights to access good health care .Also Schools are struggling and asking parents for help.

I agree with this, but I can’t forgive Labour for providing no opposition to the brexit shit show. They knew as well as everyone else that it would be a disaster but didn’t have the guts to say it knowing that many of their voters are the same idiots that voted for brexit.

Then they try and convince us that they are the party that has the most integrity 🙄

The tories are arseholes but at least you know where you stand with them.

With any luck, a Labour government will tackle the crisis in the NHS and you might be able to get some help with your anxiety.

Most food doesn't even have VAT on it

Agree. I think once people have had a taste of it, they won't go in for seconds. No idea what will come thereafter, but the backlash against CRT and TQ+ everywhere could be something unexpected.

So you don’t blame the people who brought in Brexit - and the hardest possible Brexit, but those who didn’t manage to stop it as they didn’t have enough MPs? And instead will vote for those who brought it through?

No wonder the country is in such a mess. If the Tories stay in, I have no idea who will be PM in a year’s time, but it certainly won’t be Sunak.

To be fair I do agree with most of this.

I’m a woman - Labour intend to remove women’s rights

True- this is very worrying

I’m rural - Labour aren’t interested in rural areas

True, they have no clue how different life is outside towns and cities.

I work in a private school - enough said

Tax on aspiration.

I have teens - I expect Labour to put vat on uni fees

I don't think they'll do this.
We both work full time and have slogged our guts out to now be in a position where we have a comfortable (but not high) income - I expect to be taxed more heavily.

I agree with more tax on wealthy households.

We have elderly parents - I expect the cost of care and inheritance tax to increase.

Inheritance tax is too low.

Have you actually read their manifesto? I suggest you do.

What do you count as wealthy households though?

I am a higher earner, I would assume the Tories would want to appeal to people like me.

As it is, I am paying marginal rates of ~100% on quite a large chunk of my income because of their policies / cliff edge removal of childcare support / failure to move the threshold for removal of personal allowance / lowering of additional rate etc.

If you’re worried about inheritance tax your parents must be loaded. Less than 4% of the UK population are wealthy enough to pay it.

Under the Conservatives the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, every time.

I'm part of the "middle", I don't know if I'm near the top end of that middle or the bottom end, but if I need to get a little bit poorer in order for a poor person to get a little bit richer, I am happy to do so. I want to live in a more equal society as research shows that people who live in more equal societies have an overall happier life.

I honestly cannot believe the level of blatant corruption we have put up with from this government either. Wtf is wrong with people, that we've sat back and let the Tories give away our tax money to their mates?