Who can best hold a Labour government to account?

[verdantverdure]

Just that really.

Which party do you think needs to get enough seats be in opposition and hold a Labour government to account?

I don’t want gobby Nigel anywhere near Parliament, thank you. We need constructive opposition, not disruption for the sake of it.

My brother in law and sister in law has an MP who only pops in by helicopter to their constituency once in a blue moon, does a couple of little videos 50 yards from his constituency office then vanishes.

He doesn't even do his own surgeries on Fridays, doesn't live in the constituency, and doesn't appear to give much of a shit about it. But it's a military town so any Tory would have a big majority. (Aldershot)

My mum and dad have never even seen their MP in the New Forest. He doesn't accept emails, do social media or visit the constituency as far as they know. Whoever the Conservative candidate is will be re-elected though.

It's like some Tory voters decided once decades ago and haven't revisited the idea since

I've agreed and thanked you twice in this thread. Must be a record 😀

It’s definitely a record. Good to find common ground.

I'd like a coalition Opposition made up of Libdems and parties from the devolved nations.🙏

Phrased rather disingenuously no? The debate is about women's rights and should be listed as such.

You mean the list that they have to choose from? Women's rights is not on there!

They have not a clue. They are too focused on immigration and little else. Their manifesto made no economic sense, they have no experienced candidates (apart from Lee Anderson who was a Labour councillor, then a Tory so as slippery as a fish and as immoral as a very immoral thing).
They have no idea how how parliament works, Farage is only in it for the money. He shouts some popularist nonsense and then will disappear.

I think you’ll find that the trans issue women’s rights is on the list - right at the bottom with 1% considering it a priority.

So you see 'The debate about transgender people' and think 'women's rights'? How very odd.

I certainly don't and I suspect neither do many others.

It's not really a debate is it @ActivePeony?

So and so "knows what a woman is" is a slogan.

Women's rights would encompass a world of issues outside of that slogan.

That would be great.

No, the other way round. We’re constantly being told when we refer to the trans issue that we’re wrong and it’s all about women’s rights. Now you’re contradicting that. Make up your mind.

Definitely. There's also the issue that the Tories will unable to be any kind of opposition any time soon. They have to go through ANOTHER leadership election and work out what they stand for first.

I still think there should be a place for parties in devolved nations in the Opposition.

@verdantverdure There is a role for the opposition. First of all, scrutiny of legislation. It’s vital this does have scrutiny via the regulated channels. Select committees are another area that’s vital and in many cases opposition MPs have chaired them and worked constructively with governing MPs. However it matters not one jot in terms of passing legislation whether a government has a 30 seat majority or a 200 seat majority.

What really could matter is following the established conventions. So will they appear before select committees? Allow reasonable amendments to bills or be dictators? Will policy have any scrutiny via debate or will it be announced via Twitter? Will legislation be rushed through to entrench their position of supremacy without proper scrutiny? It’s not so much a danger of a super majority in terms of numbers, it’s more about how the new government behaves.

Keir Stsrmer strikes me as a play by the rules kind of guy.

He’s not in government with a huge majority yet! I would like to think he will respect other views on Labour legislation but it depends on others around him to some extent. Those who want the Conservatives annihilated do forget we need an intelligent working opposition. Not just one that shouts and attracts the worst of humanity.

Those who want the Conservatives annihilated do forget we need an intelligent working opposition.

I havent forgot, I just dont think the Tories are capable of being an intelligent working anything at the minute.

There most likely will be Lib Dems from Scotland and possibly one or two from Wales.

Jane the mumsnetter, can.

This.

Totally agree with this

People want Labour with a LibDem Opposition? - Seriously?

Have we forgotten why women abandoned the LibDems last time round? Those reasons haven't changed. And voting for Labour this time round is a shot in the dark - especially on issues concerning cervix-havers.

Lol.

The Lib Dems are the ones who have told women who don't believe humans can change sex not to vote for them.

Have you got a link to them saying that @MissScarletInTheBallroom?