Labour Party and gender

[Mobley52]

I've seen quite a few threads where people have said they would not vote for Labour because of their stance on gender.

Would somebody be able to explain in simple terms why this is please

Many thanks

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Come on. This is madness

You are trying hard to work against women

Why?

Having legislation on our side would change what is enabled and encouraged

I just can't understand how people can not see this? I'd agree with them if they were admitting that pretty much we're fucked everyway but do people genuinely believe the Tories will keep them safe? Horrifying.

Why do you hate emoji so much? They are very helpful. MN have two great ones:
(not used this for a while actually, I guess people have got better at not directly writing nonsense in their posts) and (current favourite when people make no sense)

I am also a fan of laughing 😂🤣 but according to my teens that's for old people.

Love a good emoji 💗🥰

A hate crime as such which includes men for the first time?

Labour are proud of proposing that too.

She is a woman. Women are not a hive mind.
Why are you so determined to shut down women who disagree with you?

how has legislation being on our side for rape being illegal change what is enabled and encouraged?

I am not working againsdt women, i'm just not working against transwomen, that's the difference.

So, do you believe changing laws regarding transwomen in womens toilets/changing rooms making them unable to use them would have a bigger impact on sexual violence rates against women than targeting rapists with better investigating and ensuring they are prosecuted?

There are many kinds of hate crimes, and yes men are victims of them too.

Would you be this dismissive of a gay man who is beaten bloody because he's gay?

Me too and although I'm not a Labour supporter, I will welcome Starmer's specialist courts to help clear the damaging backlog of rape cases that exist, should he get in.

agreed. The rape courts have been a big talking point with people i know and agreed to be a big decider in who to vote for

I’m chatting to a poster, which would be preferable without these posts

I’m incredulous at reasoning. Not ‘shutting down’

Changing the law would be far better for women. Currently it’s for men.

On other emoji posts I tend to scroll past but at times they get a bit much like this one

No Labour want to include men in the definition of crimes against women for the first time

are you going to reply to my previous comment? of conveniently ignore it

The gay man one?

He would be covered by a different law, he already would be.

I’m talking about including men in misogyny which should be limited to women.

so i’ll take that as you not answering my question then.

no. the one at 18:02

Which question?

Idk what you’re referring to

I want both I didn’t realise it was either or. Why should women say yes to men in their spaces as some kind of agreement for other things?

And you do want men out of some spaces just not others.

Are you working against TW where you do want separation?

i didn’t state either or. i’m stating what i believe would have the biggest positive impact for women and their safety.

im not working against trans women no. because i agree that certain spaces need to be single sex but you stated i was against women by saying that the toilet part is not enforceable and wouldn’t do as much to make women safer as other measures.

Certain spaces single sex is not working against TW?

Ok adding a couple more is not either.

I don’t see why you wouldn’t.

again i did not state that. you are attempting to put words into my mouth.

you claimed i was working against women in that i said public toilets is unenforceable on a practical level. usually from the GC crowd that means you believe i am working FOR TW. if that wasn’t your implication then ill change it.

bur stating something isn’t enforceable and also will do minimal positive damage except ensure that any biological males that do enter those spaces are intentionally trying to harm me. rather than just being TW living their life and going for a poo in peace.

@SmudgeHughes is close to why I think it’s better to change the law

but again, making toilets single sex spaces doesn’t stop rapists from entering them? it just ensures the only people who will comply are the ones who wouldn’t have done it anyway. that is my point.

that’s without the fact that statistically we are most likely to be attacked by a man we know: a dad/husband/boyfriend/friend/other relation. so again, i’m asking why is it wrong for me to prioritise what will positively impact women the most which is on the investigating and prosecuting side as well as tackling the misogyny in our society.

instead we have this culture war going on where we are arguing about how the tories are surely the best because they don’t want TW in our toilets. yet they’ve done nothing to help women and have actively caused us to be in more danger through their policies?

and again, i will believe in social contract when we don’t live in a society that belittles women who come forward about abuse they suffer, don’t excuse women of lying about being raped, when people don’t make rape jokes and when people like andrew tate aren’t radicalising our children.

Why should we have to prioritise?

This is the point that no Labour supporter seems to want to address?

Why should we have to choose between being able to vote for a left wing party, and being able to vote for a party with a little respect for us as human beings?

It goes wider than the issue of single sex toilets. It's about what Labour are saying, what they are revealing about themselves when they say women who need single sex spaces are "dinosaurs who hoard rights" (but male aristocrats who want to become legally a woman but also hold on to their inheritance are not, and deserving of specific legal protection, apparently), or when they throw Rosie Duffield under a bus, or when they talk about the female penis.

What they are revealing about themselves is not good and makes me call into question their integrity and competence in every other area.

So legalise rape then?
It certainly costs the police and courts lots of time and money to investigate for minimal convictions. Or is there some reason we make things illegal even if we can't enforce them 100% effectively?