I’m newcomer to the UK, please explain what is the issue K. Starmer x J. Corbyn

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Sorry if it is a dumb question but what is the issue behind the 2019 elections and Starmer support to Corbyn? Why is it still a big deal?

I'm a lovely person yes. Unlike Boris Johnson who is a completely untrustworthy charlatan. I don't think anyone's perfect, but I do think Keir Starmer has not being convicted of breaking the law and lying about that and many other things, so he's winning there isn't he.

Corbyn is all the Tories have left. Their campaign is in tatters, this latest gambling scandal is so small-time and stupid.
And so out comes 'but Jeremy Corbyn '... they'll be banging on about Jimmy Savile next.

Boris? Led us through crisis? Have you seen any of the inquiry? More like bumbled his way through.

I haven't really made my mind up about Starmer, to be honest, I think it's depressing that neither side has any heavy hitters, and that these are the best each party has to offer.

Not all of the shadow cabinet may seem heavy hitters but they seem normal people unlike the duds and weirdos Boris surrounded himself with because he preferred people who supported him regardless of ability.

Rachel Reeves and Yvette Cooper seem OK, not really sure about the rest.

thank you

It's not just a big deal for the Tories trying to frame Starmer though.
It's a massively big deal to those of us on the left who loved and supported Jeremy Corbyn.
I can't vote Labour because of the way they've betrayed the authentic left. I'm voting Green. I'd probably vote Independent if there was a strong left-wing independent candidate in my constituency.
I'm so tired of the two-party politics in this country anyway. So tired of first-past-the-post and having to vote tactically. We need PR. Labour's atrocious mistreatment of left-wing candidates has left me in a place where I feel I have to vote for my conscience and not tactically, even at the very tiny risk that my Green vote could help split the left-wing vote in my area and cause a Tory to be the MP here. It's a miniscule risk anyway, as Labour are predicted to win this seat comfortably. But, you know, even if it was a big risk, I still couldn't vote Labour. I'm playing the long game. I obviously want the Tories out, which means a Labour government. But, I'm hoping enough lefties vote Green and Independent, so Starmer and co get a strong message, and learn just how much they've upset their left-wing former voters.
Jeremy Corbyn wasn't unelectable. He almost won in 2017, in spite of a massive political machine tirelessly working against him. In 2019 that machine was on steroids, deliberately slandering a good man.
His manifesto was wonderful and fully costed. If he had been our prime minister the last five years, we'd all (apart from the obscenely wealthy) have much better lives now. Breaks my heart 😔

Sorry @TryingToSeeTheFunnySide but Labour “almost” winning isn’t good enough if you want the Tories out and the damage they have done to start to be repaired.

2015 any half decent opposition really should have walked that election. 2017 ditto, and to be fair to JC Labour got 40% of the vote a bigger share than in TB’s second and third victories. But piling up the Labour vote where it makes no difference in a FPTP election won’t actually win. 2019….we all know how that ended.

Starmer however is very much electable so it would seem. That’s what really counts.

It isn't a big deal. Our awful right-wing media are making it into a big deal. We have the nastiest media in the world with the main tabloids.

The Express, Mail, Sun, and Telegraph are entrenched in Tory because the papers are owned by people who don't pay tax in this country. The BBC are also in their pockets.

The mirror, which is another typical tabloid paper, does support Labour, though. Papers like the Guardian are more balanced in writing

At the time, Labour was in opposition. KS was in Corbyn shadow cabinet. What on earth people thought he should do was beyond my comprehension. He had no choice but to say he supported him. KS was a Labour mp. What was he supposed to do? Stand down as an MP. The media would have loved that.

The right-wing media can find no journey gossip on KS cos there isn't any.

They've tried a couple of things. One was when he was head of the CPS, trying to make it look like it was down to him. Someone didn't get prosecuted. He wasn't the charging solicitor, and neither was their the evidence to bring charges anyway, as the witnesses refused to take the stand.

The other was to do with an office late night meal during Covid. This was allowed as they were campaigning on the Hartlepool by-election, and it was in the rules it was aloud.

Like I said, right-wing media desperate to smear Keir Starmer as they know that it's the elite that will pay for the policies, not the average person in the street,

Juicy gossip, not journey gossip

He didn't nearly win in 2017, he was still 60 odd seats short, and even that would have only just tipped him over the edge.

To be honest, per a previous point that I think was on this thread, (there are many currently on the same subject), I think Starmer has already worked out that the addition of disenfranchised Conservative voters outweighs the loss of disenfranchised lefties.

At the end of the day, if the lefties have really dropped of the edge, they are cutting their nose of to spite their faces. IMHO it's very short sighted to think "ooh, after 14 years, we have a real chance of a Labour government, but it's not Labour enough for me, so I'm going to vote in a manner that might keep the Conservatives in instead". 🤦‍♂️

Well, there's absolutely no chance of the conservatives winning this election, or being in government for at least the next five years. So, that (cutting off my nose to spite my face) simply isn't accurate.
Obviously, if forced to vote either Labour or Tory next Thursday, of course I'd vote Labour. But, as the Tories have no chance, I don't feel at all compelled to do that. I can't, with a clear conscience. I have to have integrity.
I don't personally think the current Labour Party will do much re the housing crisis, the environment, the NHS etc. Actual Tory MPs have been joining them. That tells me all I need to know. As a socialist, I have to cast my vote elsewhere.
But, of course, you do you 😊

I agree there is a slim chance of Conservatives winning next week, but politics is a strange thing. Neither is it guaranteed that whoever wins will be in for five years. There are any number of reasons that a shorter term could manifest. Also unlikely.

And of course, you are free to vote for whichever party you choose, for whatever reason seems most sensible. That is what democracy is. At least until a party headed by a nut-job who admires Putin gets in. Fortunately, that too is unlikely.

And yet this disaster area is 20 points ahead. Be serious. I’d say if right wingers want to win then they have to do better than being beaten by such an inadequate.

cf Angela Rayner. She’s going to win too.

All this white noise about Corbyn pales into insignificance against the fact that a large number of Tories first thought upon hearing that an election was imminent was to rush to the bookies.
And none of them have been sacked/suspended. Rishi is 'angry' apparently.

It’s ok I just can’t wait for the scrutiny and the unpopularity to begin as soon as the lefties are in … they won’t know what’s hit them
and I’m thinking hung parliament or re-election anyway because i don’t think it wjll
be a running success form them and they won’t get the majority they are expecting.
I’ll get the popcorn out 😂

They have now but Rishi's handling of it has been abysmal. They've been saying for a week can't interfere with the Gambling Commission and only now say they've checked with the Commission who don't mind. Total shambles.

The problem with this sort of situation .. everybody in this country is innocent until proved guilty.. ( protects us all and rightly so ) these are alleged atm … also Rishi has to be careful .. Mental health etc duty of care these days. Go in heavy handed and precarious situation.
I can see why Rishi has hesitated. So much red tape and such issues there too.
Hes damned if he does and doesn’t

imagine being accused of something ourselves that we know full well we havnt done or have done in the glare of the media .. especially if we have not done anything wrong … it spirals its gets out of control … I think treading cautiously in these intense situations is fair enough.
Thats my look at it … if it’s this, then I get it

And when they've already admitted it?

He’s not got any back bone…. He is very shady when it comes to Corbyn and Corbyn is hanging over his shoulder like a spectre
That’s all I know
luckily the ordinary person on the street who is not that involved with the nitty gritty of politics will not understand any of the Corbyn issue so Starmer can most likely not sweat too much … maybe

Betting is spreading....

Labour candidate for Central Suffolk and North Ipswich has bet against himself winning. He's was suspended this afternoon as soon as the Labour party were told by the Gambling Commission.

The Scottish Secretary, Alister Jack, has come out and said to the Beeb he's made £2,100 on betting on a July election however he didn't place his bets in May.

Corbyn is living rent free in your head. No one gives a shit.

Nice … thank you for showing that delightful side of your personality.
Theres an election it’s called discussion
enjoy the fact that he’s hanging over Starmer like a bad smell and he can’t get out of it. Just the panicked 😂 look all the time

It doesn’t say much that the Labour Party can get away with a lack of scrutiny as you say and still have the apparent mark of Cain that is Jeremy Corbyn and still be 20 points ahead.

Jeremy Corbyn delivered the Labour Party is the worst result since 1983. Keir Starmer looks like he will deliver a result for Labour that has never been bettered. I think he’s surmounted the challenge!