I’m newcomer to the UK, please explain what is the issue K. Starmer x J. Corbyn

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Sorry if it is a dumb question but what is the issue behind the 2019 elections and Starmer support to Corbyn? Why is it still a big deal?

Where and when did Corbyn say that?

Traditional Labour voters already are disenfranchised. The Red Wall voted for Johnson and the Scots went SNP.

If that wasn't such a dangerous, partisan lie it would be amusing. As it is, it just highlights your ignorance and sends shivers down my spine 🙄

Oh, I agree. If you fail to address the issue, you are complicit.

It's a choice really, I think an easy one. You can say no way to SKS because of this Corbyn thing and the same to Ed Davey because of the u turn on student fees (2015 by the way) or you can consider the Tories' and Boris' record as set out by pps.

Jeremy Corbyn refused to acknowledge that the Labour Party under his leadership had effectively turned a blind eye to antisemitic comments made by a minority of party members. For which the party whip in Parliament was withdrawn, quite rightly in my opinion.

The local Tory mp was elected in 2019 probably as a result of the antisemitism issue.

I believe he said they were 'dramatically overstated'.

What local Tory MP?

Its only a "big deal" has starmer lacks the intelligence to answer the question and this is why the question is put to him, reepdtedly in all live debates and Starmers panics and makes himself look very silly, IMO

All sTarmer has to say is that he just knew JC would make a good PM becusle of JC's core values. Alternatively he could say, I was only saying that to toe the party line and stay there at the top with him

It is really that simple!!

Well exactly, although a pig in a suit would have been better than Johnson, so its not exactly a glowing recommendation.

The Right wing are desperately trying to "get" something on Starmer, so far all they have managed is that he wore an expensive coat, supports a donkey sanctuary and had a beer after an allowed work event during Covid.
I have never voted labour and probably won't this time but the increasingly desperate attempts to smear Starmer are pathetic

Absolutely. That was my point. As in that moving further right has its consequence. Ultimately, it depends where the majority of votes are likely to come from. He may well view that the loony left Corbyn voters are expendable.

A quick Google search of Jeremey Corbyn/Hamas will tell you all you need to know

It isn't a big deal the Government just want to make it a big deal.
Starmer was shadow Brexit secretary when Corbyn was leader because he is an extremely good lawyer and was able to forensically examine proposed Government policy. Corbyn was the elected leader of the labour party and Starmer was a member of his shadow cabinet. They may have had different views but political parties are a broad church and that's not uncommon.
Rishi Sunak sat in Boris Johnson's Government a proven liar. Jeremy Hunt was in Liz Truss's Government and she almost crashed the economy.
The Government want something to bash Starmer with and that he supported Corbyn is one thing.

Strange how the left are viewed as 'loonies'. Are the right considered 'loonies' in the Conservative party?

Since the majority evidently voted Tory, and have done for the past 14 years, the majority of voters will come from there. Starmer has effectively purged the left and clamped down on any dissent in the party. It seems the country are safe from 'loonies'.

Starmer’s approach is to get a more geographically distributed Labour vote. And he’s doing that to ensure a Labour victory. As he understands that winning a General Election under the FPTP is what actually matters.

in the 2017 election Corbyn simply piled up Labour votes in existing Labour strongholds. 40% of the electorate, or more accurately 40% of those registered to vote, voted Labour. 40% is only marginally less than the 40.7% that Labour under TB achieved in 2001 and a fair bit more than the 35.2% in 2005. The rather important distinction though being that Labour won 412 seats in 2001 and 355 in 2005, as opposed to 262 in 2017.

Roll on to 2019 and along came Boris, the Brexit party didn’t contest existing Tory held seats, add in the JC real (lack of genuine) electability factor and the rest is history.

Having our First Past the Post electoral system forces political parties to be very 'broad churches' in order to have widespread support across enough of the UK to form a majority. Within the major parties; there is a broad span of opinion and multiple potential areas for fracture and disagreement. Elections tend to be won in the centre; and Corbyn was perceived to be left or far left rather than centre left. The Conservatives are going to have problems after the election in working out whether they want to be centre-right or more further along on the right.

Our whole system would be better if we ditched FPTP and enabled there to be more ideas and debate; with people having better choices on which political parties have ideas that most closely resemble their own.

The Corbyn/ Starmer relationship is particularly challenging due to allegations of antisemitism within the party when he was leader

In 2020 The Labour Party was served with an unlawful act notice after an investigation into antisemitism by the Equality and Human Rights Commission found it responsible for unlawful acts of harassment and discrimination.

The report didn't lay blame directly with Corbyn but the EHRC’s lead investigator, Alasdair Henderson, said the failure of leadership must ultimately stop with him.
“As the leader of the party at the time, and given the extent of the failings we found in the political interference within the leader of the opposition’s office, Jeremy Corbyn is ultimately accountable and responsible for what happened at that time,” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/oct/29/jeremy-corbyn-rejects-findings-of-report-on-antisemitism-in-labour

Corbyn rejected the findings of the report. Starmer is a previous Director of Public Prosecution; and having a finding by the EHRC that the party has broken the law is signifcant. Starmer was serving in Corbyn's shadow cabinet at the time of the election. Labour eventually expelled Corbyn from the party, and he is standing as an independent within the constituency that he formally held for Labour.

more intriguingly my phone autocorrected Starmer’s to Starker’s and then Starlet’s, before the edit function came to my rescue.

Did you watch the petulant excuse we have for a PM last night? I know who looked more credible to me (and least credible).

Gesticulating angrily and being aggressive about being asked a reasonable question by a woman in the audience. Sunak was absolutely disgraceful. I can completely see now why the Conservative membership didn't vote for him as leader.

Oh, and also completely ignoring the GP talking about not being able to treat constipated children. I'd forgotten that gem. He was awful.

1:54.02 on here
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMjXbBvvq2lc&ved=2ahUKEwjWgfacuOyGAxVqU0EAHWzUBZMQwqsBegQIAhAF&usg=AOvVaw3RE0zW8_rY2BR_yaBx9qqK

@LakeTiticaca And ? Starmer kicked him out of the party. And Hamas ain’t exactly at war with the UK. Appreciate the IRA connection was unwise.
Otoh Sunak supported Johnson, worked for him. What were Johnson’s shenanigans with the Lebedev brothers ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62068421
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/06/30/the-dubious-relationship-between-boris-johnson-and-the-lord-of-siberia_6040133_4.html
Tell us again that Johnson wasn’t a threat to UK security. Certainly didn’t give a damn about following the law.

Corbyn would Scrap nuclear deterrents.
Curry favour with terror organisations. and line himself up with Putin and that’s just for starters.
Corbyn is a communist.

What's any of that got to do with the current state of affairs though? He's not head of the party. This obsession with the evils of socialism and communism is surely so far out of date!

Like the Tories haven't supported oppressive regimes and funded terrorists. Corbyn wasn't a communist. And if you think Putin's a communist, you need your head examined. Swivel eyed frothing about reds under the bed is evidence of how far right this country has gone. Even Sunak is now talking about withdrawing from the ECHR.

hes a communist Putin is a communist
sorry to upset you comrade
you are just nervous now that this Corbyn spectre hanging over Starmer will weaken the lead.
hung parliament or re-election could seriously happen now
well done that man 😍