I’m newcomer to the UK, please explain what is the issue K. Starmer x J. Corbyn

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Sorry if it is a dumb question but what is the issue behind the 2019 elections and Starmer support to Corbyn? Why is it still a big deal?

Corbyn's other policies were increasing corporation tax, increasing income tax for higher rate payers, additional windfall taxes, and changes to dividend tax. Ironically, the Conservative party have implemented a good many of those in some form or another, although not in as extreme a manner as Corbyn proposed.

As I said, look at the MARPOR studies, there is a whole database of comparative data.

Also, we are talking about UK politics. So, Corbyn is far left in the UK, Farage is far right. I know that Corbyn has admiration for views even further left than those he publicly stated in the UK (Castro and Chavez to name two), but I was not comparing him to the likes of Stalin no matter how much Corbyn may admire him.

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Farage isn't far right. He's a right wing populist. There isn't such a thing as far left 'in UK politics '. Nothing in the manifesto was extremist.

How can Corbyn have had views more far left than far left extremism? Of course you're comparing him to people like Stalin; he's far left.

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Kier has gone more centrist because the left wing manifesto under JC didn’t have electoral success, probably because people felt it was unrealistic more than they didn’t want the things promised. So now Labour are promising a lot less. It’s not really a major issue. It’s just learning from previous mistakes.

I wasn't comparing him to people like Stalin, it was you brought Stalin into the discussion. Also, you need to read my post more thoroughly. I was saying that Corbyn's publicised views are not as extreme as some, but that he has a lot of admiration for those further extreme than he is.

What I was saying was that Corbyn is far left when considering UK politics, which I think you have endorsed.

Truth hurts thats the problem
Corbyn is a real fly in the ointment and look at all the media … its practically saying so too .. most of it
it’s a real bad issue
Naivety is rife with Labour supporters

You called him an extremist and far left.

Anyway, it's been a pleasure.

Don’t worry his nickname is sometime Keir Stalin lol

Ok. How is Corbyn a fly in the ointment. He was an unpopular fairly short lived and ineffective leader five years ago.

You can keep trying to harp on and on about him but most sensible people are not really interested in your 'oh look, a communist squirrel' nonsense.

Yes, extreme and far left compared to the rest of the UK.

It has indeed been a pleasure.

You entirely missed the point. It’s fine to change your mind but that’s not what Starmer is doing. He is the opportunistic and inauthentic one. He hasn’t reflected and refined his view. He is just saying anything that will get him elected. He basically admitted to saying ‘Corbyn would make a great PM’ only because he ‘knew they wouldn’t win’. He actually said that aloud in front of an tv audience!!

He is just saying anything that will get him elected.

It worked for Boris.

The Labour Party elected Corbyn as it's leader. Keir is a member of the Labour party, as am i. I personally didn't agree with much of what Corbyn stood for, neither did Keir.

But Keir stood by Corbyn, as did i, during the Johnson election.

It's called democracy. I didnt, wouldnt, vote for Corbyn. Others in the party did. The majority did. So I accepted it. So did Keir.

so hang the both of us for accepting the will of the majority. Because we both believe that the majority of the voting view should prevail. It's not about being popular, it's about having a sense of principles.

I've hated many things this government has done over 14 years, but I've had to accept them. That's what Starmner did.

That's not how I remember it all.

When Starmer won the Labour leadership, in his victory speech, he said: “I want to pay tribute to Jeremy Corbyn, who led our party through some really difficult times, who energised our movement, and who’s a friend as well as a colleague.”

Only Boris is not mr flip flop 🩴
can’t trust anyone who does this all the flaming time
he’s a total joke ..
“my father was a tool maker “
(laughter from tbe audience )
”No, he was “
😆right over his head .. sheeesh lol

utter chaos
smash the gangs
my wife works for tbe NHS
“My family my family my family “
uses them as a buffer

Only Boris is not mr flip flop

Err, wasn't he the one who said "the EU is such a good thing that if we didn't have it, we'd have to invent it" not long before he decided that backing leave would likely get him the PM job? That's a pretty big flip flop in my book. Not to mention years of being a proven liar, and not even being able to quote how many children he has. **

**don't mistake disdain for Boris as support for Starmer.

Corbyn was a terrifying leader of the labour party and potential PM, which lots of people even in the labour party realised. Apparently Starmer thought he would be a great PM, which is not helping his course.

Sums him up pretty well. Going strong on his family rather than sticking to answers or clarity

Yeah but Starmer is a consistent offender with the flip flopping .. that’s the only consistency he’s got
flipity flop … Flop being the operative word when he opens his mouth .. Don’t give him a shovel as he does well enough himself in that area lol

@cupcaske123 what was he supposed to say, while also honouring the electorate who'd just elected him? Rubbish their previous decision? That defies reality.

and @Bumblebeeinatree C.corbyn was a lot of things, but terrifying wasn't one of them. My objection to him was his failure to get the vote our against Brexit.

I'm old enough to remember some of the left of the Labour party being against joining. Apparently it was a club for employers. Nonsense, of course. But people like Corbyn never moved on from that position. I have.

I refer my learned friend back to my previous comment. It worked for Boris. 🤣

About the only consistent thing was the old catch phrase of "get Brexshit done", but then he didn't. His deal was worse than the one May proposed.

Plus it took him weeks to decide if he was pro or anti Brexit, then he chose pro when he saw it would advantage his career.

Super principled 😁

Boris is transparent
Starmer shifty .. Dread th thought if he had lead us through the crises that Boris had to .. him and raynor and reeves 😆
god help us

What an unbelievable pile of steaming shite. Johnson lied and lied and lied and lied and LIED.

And what do you think Starmer is doing now ? Selling his soul .. rejecting his mate that he championed twice in elections ..
No government is totally innocent
but as I said god help help us with the Stalin raynor and reeves brigade ..
Stalin and Reeves couldn’t even describe what a woman is 😆 never ages .. nor does the tool maker comment
anyway sweary … nice person aren’t you
not worth it but glad I did say what I think of your magical party