I’m newcomer to the UK, please explain what is the issue K. Starmer x J. Corbyn

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Sorry if it is a dumb question but what is the issue behind the 2019 elections and Starmer support to Corbyn? Why is it still a big deal?

You're obviously well informed. I'll be sure to take note

Well you’d think so but Starmer is such a gift that keeps on giving he’s got his comrade sticking in his side like a thorn
It’s very relevant

But Jeremy Corbyn isn't even in the Labour Party anymore and is standing ad an independent so the damage he could theoretically do is very limited.

If Starmer was of that bent he wouldn't have kicked him out of the party.

He had to shake him off for his own benefit
he’s mr Flip flop
look how he successfully with the Diane abbot issue .. not
He has no courage of his convictions..
Hes extremely feeble and couldn’t even describe what a woman is.

There is a video of him online saying he wanted to scrap the monarchy but is quite happy for his knighthood and his kings council

This scrutiny is not going to end soon.

If you say so. Judging by the audience response to him last night I'd say most of the public don't agree.
To me he comes across as a measured and principled experienced leader who is prepared to change tack when conditions change, to meet his goal. That's what we need. The country is a mess. We need a focus on a long term strategy to deliver an actual improvement for us all, rather than click bait money pit policies like Rwanda.

👏👏👏👏he's a nasty little man who makes no secret of his anti semitism, cosying up to terrorists. He has contempt for the British people and our customs. He had to be warned by his aides that turning up.to the remembrance service in London not wearing a poppy would not be a good look.

In my view, extremists on both sides are definitely loonies.

I would also suggest that the majority who voted Conservative over the last 14 years are more centrist. Cameron's government was just right of centre but it has been moving further right since Brexshit.

This is why the majority of the electorate are looking elsewhere (I.e. to Labour, who are ironically just about where Cameron's government was.) Those who are the loony right are going Reform.

I am not sure that the country will ever be safe from loonies, however after the "success" of Brexshit, it is possible that there has been some revision of thinking.

Absolutely I couldn’t agree more
he would not even apologise for the antisemitism comments of his party ..
I agree with all you say !! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Could you give an example of 'extremism' in the left under Corbyn for example, something from the manifesto that illustrates your point. Or an example of extremism by one of the Labour MPs in their constituency.

Why do you think Starmer supported extremism? As a former extremist, do you think he's masking in order to get into power?

Exactly. Why are people so intent on choosing a leader who doesn't have the mental ability to learn stuff and change their minds? Why is change the most unattractive thing about a politician? I'd say it's the most important part of the job; learn more, do better.

It’s because Corbyn is very much aligned with the hard left. Starmer not so much (thankfully). And to the poster that earlier mentioned it, what exactly is so bad about good border control and wealth generation?

Corbyn:

1. Antisemitism - his refusal to adopt the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s definition of anti-Semitism.
2. Accepted money from Iran to present on the government-affiliated channel Press TV.
3. Invited Linda Quigley and Gerry MacLochlainn, both convicted of activity connected to the Irish Republican Army, to Parliament just two weeks after the IRA had killed five people and almost assassinated the British prime minister in the 1984 Brighton bombing.
4. Publicised contempt for NATO.
5. Aligned / advised by self publicised Marxists (can't recall the name offhand, but it's all in the public domain).
6. Support for Interpal which America has deemed a terrorist organisation, even though it operates here within the law as a charity. (Praised at a February 2013 conference and encouraged more donations).

I probably don't need to go on.

To correct you, I didn't say Starmer supported extremism, merely that he was towing the party line and supporting the leader of the party. In fact I alluded to the fact that Starmer probably disagreed with many of those views, despite towing the party line.

This thread is demonstrating the problem beautifully. We're now debating Corbyn as if he's still politically extremely relevant. He isn't.

Indeed. I only quoted him as a response to an earlier comment of Starmer having been in his government and being called out by the press for what is essentially towing the party line, which many do on both sides.

It is much more relevant to look at what Starmer stands for now he is in the chair. Unfortunately, it isn't so easy to view what that is as Starmer doesn't actually advertise it all that well.

Getting into debates about Corbyn is completely irrelevant, although I did bite when @cupcaske123 needed an example of why Corbyn might be thought of as extremist. I think the 2019 general election result clearly demonstrated the views of the electorate.

A’hm have you seen what is happening in Ukraine? You think Putin and his batshit communist mates are benign and irrelevant in today’s world? You’re deluded my friend. The ‘evils’ of communism are alive and well and the biggest threat to world peace.

Yeah but neither party are offering a leader with communist leanings so...it's irrelevant

Can you give your definition of extremism?

You've illustrated absolutely nothing extremist about Labour under Corbyn. Starmer had a close working relationship with Corbyn, he wasn't towing the party line. He fully supported the manifesto. Apparently there were 'loonies' in the party, can you give me an example of extremist left wing behaviour by any of the MPs? What was said in the manifesto that was extreme left wing?

Because it’s not authentic. That’s very clear from his lack of conviction. It’s opportunist which makes people feel like they’re being treated like mugs. Well, those of us not suckered into it.

I don't think it's opportunistic or inauthentic to change your mind. On the other hand if you spend your entire life dogmatically refusing to learn and change, you're a fucking simpleton.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/10/03/jeremy-corbyn-has-a-soft-spot-for-extremists-ira-hamas-hezbollah-britain-labour/

And of course not forgetting
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/13/jeremy-corbyn-not-involved-munich-olympics-massacre-wreath-laying

Even Good morning Britain really really challanged Raynor about their Corbyn connections … going away ? Nope … 👎
it’s a poison and it’s coming to the top

A lot of the public are not aware because they are not politically minded usually
Some are more up on things than others.
laid with the bare facts of what this country nearly had as a PM (cough, Corbyn ) They might see the light but many are not in that area of wanting to know. Now that push is coming to shove .. serious questions before x in the box happen. Because unlike Putin who’s party shock horror won yet again this is a non communist country .. But Starmer backed twice … not once … twice a potential PM who is a Commy comrade

Sorry but you are very misinformed if you think Putin is a communist.

There are some "multipolar" campist types on the left who make excuses for dictators because they're anti-American. This is George Galloway's whole routine.

Authoritarian leaders like Putin and Assad are socially conservative ultranationalists.

@cavalier what was he to do? Leave the party in protest? Of course at the time he had to make a show of supporting him as the party leader; I don't agree with that tribal thing really but people seem to generally, it's expected.

Please stop trying the disitraction techniques with me, they just wont work!!

Now, please answer the question!! (started to sound a bit like trying to get an answer out of socialist, Starmer)😂