I’m newcomer to the UK, please explain what is the issue K. Starmer x J. Corbyn

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Sorry if it is a dumb question but what is the issue behind the 2019 elections and Starmer support to Corbyn? Why is it still a big deal?

Nah you’re in denial … his good pals with China .. he’s a commie but won’t admit it

he suddenly won the presidency again ! Wow what a shock that is

And also if you support anyone who vaguely aligns with your politics no matter how awful their actions are then you are very dangerous.
Corbyn and his ilk believe that Socialism is a morally superior standpoint rather than a Political view.
Left = Good
Right = Bad
And no expections
Thats fine on a personal level but not for the PM of a country.
I kind of admire Corbyns refusal to compromise any of his personal views but it made him a very bad propect for a Leader.

And good pals with Kim Yong
North Korea … communist

It was on the radio todaty, Corbyn at a meeting call Hamas as "friends"!!

However, being a very reasonable and extremely fair poster, I get it why he called Hamas/Hezboolas "friends" but IMHO the WRONG choice of words!!

Who else is in cahoots with the commies?

I believe Orban is pro Russia. Is he a commie?

If you look at the MARPOR (manifesto research of political representation) database, you will see that Corbyn's manifestos were the farthest left since 1983. Foreign and economic policy were both aligned to hard left views. As you will well know, loony left is a pejorative term for hard left.

My definition of extremism is the far end of the scale one way or the other. So, in recent years, I would say Blair and Cameron were centrist, Corby extreme left, Farage extreme right. Are they the most extreme you could get? No. Do I believe that their private views match their publicised views? Also no. For that reason you have to look at the background of the leader and decide whether you trust whether they would stick to their public statements. In the case of either Corbyn or Farage, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them. Fortunately, neither have a chance of the chair, at least for the time being.

Also, we are derailing the thread. I suggest you start your own thread about why Corbyn was as brilliant as you appear to think he is.

Exactly. There are so many better answers he could have given. Corbyn was the elected leader of the Labour Party/ the country needed a Labour Party/ represented the centrist element to avoid the party being taken over by the Hard Left etc etc etc.

I suspect on both sides it's because Party members choose the leader. These people are often the most trenchant in their views. You only need to look at the kind if people who chose Liz Truss to be PM!

Putin has a strategic relationship with other countries. (And if you think only communists can rewrite laws to give themselves extra terms, you know literally nothing about world politics. Dozens of countries in Africa and central Asia have election rigging presidents-for-life, most of them don't even claim to be Marxists.)

Is the UK government secretly Muslim because they're in bed with the Saudis?

Why is everyone attacking Starmer for supporting Corbyn and no-one has a goa t Sunak for supporting Boris Johnson who has done more damage to this country than Corbyn ever could.
He's the one who put the son of a KGB agent in the House Of Lords.

Agreed.
I've watched Starmer being questioned aggressively on TV about this twice now.
I wish he'd be less patient & just say: 'for goodness sakes! I supported my Party & my PM at the last Election because that is what you DO if you are loyal. Once we lost the election it became clear that this was not what the public wanted so I have made changes to make us electable. Now, next Question'. And MOVE ON.

(plenty of other politicians have behaved in a similar way & are not attacked. It's personal (like the Lib Dems still being demonised re tuition fees U turn in 2014. Loads of other U turns (bigger too) but no, it's all anyone wants to talk about.

We are talking about a democratic society as in Great Britain ?
communism is not our “ideology “ and that is what it is sold as .. utopia ..
it doesn’t work
I know this is unsettling your labour leaders lead some … hey I think he and Raynor could be extremely worried ( their is another expression but I won’t be rude )

Um yeah ok … anything you say
enjoy yourself

Using the word 'commie' makes you sound like either a 15 year old student or a Daily Telegraph reading ex-colonel. And also quite stupid.

Putin is built on self-interest and self-aggrandisement. As capitalist as a person can be. Russia isn't a communist country. You're talking like we live in decades past.

The thread is about Starmer and Corbyn. It relates to his relationship with Corbyn and the last manifesto.

Some of the policies from the 2019 election were: increase the health budget by 4.3 percent, raise in minimum wage to £10, stop pension age rises and nationalise key industries. There's nothing extremist there.

Far left is on the extreme end of the political spectrum. An example of the far left is Stalin's Russia. Bringing forward net zero targets or increasing the minimum wage, isn't far left.

I'm still waiting for examples of the leftie 'loonies' that proliferated the party under Corbyn.

This is confusing. You keep bringing up 'commies'. I thought there were commies everywhere.

Corbyn was unelectable - that’s why labour lost the 2019 election. People were asked on doorsteps by labour canvassers. They were repeatedly told the reason labour wouldn’t get their vote was Corbyn. He is extremely far left. Seemed to have terrorist chums.

😂 thank you lovely to be thought of as younger 👍

Possible he’ll lose his seat too.
Tories are really clutching at straws, it’s hilarious. So many of their MPs are corrupt and outright swindling ‘hardworking tax payer’s money’ lol, but no, Jeremy Corbyn is a Socialist.
Said it on yet another thread exactly like this, it’s like I’ve woken up in McCarthyite America in 1952. Reds under the beds and all that. They’ll be bringing up Castro and Che Guevara soon 😂

@paasll but you forgot that when these very same people were asked about his policies without knowing they were Labour ones there was a high proportion of agreement. He’s gone anyway. We should worry more about Sunak and his association with Russian stooge Johnson.

Exactly @Lottelenya it's like being back at college in the 90s. Funnily enough the terrifying commie revolution has never happened, but plenty of hard of thinking types still think it's just an election away.

It’s true.

If someone has a past of bigging up someone who calls Hamas his “friends” and the rest of the extremely questionable issues buzzing all around Starmers head then a major issue of trust is the issue. I mean it’s not a small Issue. It’s the security of our county and please just watch him endorsing him after throwing him out … this was last nights debacle .. don’t forget

Do you think Starmer will invite Hamas for a sleepover? He was very reluctant to call for a ceasefire, do you think that's a smokescreen?

Oh honestly @cavalier what a waste of time engaging with you.