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General election 2024

Rishi thinks we've turned a corner. Does it feel like we have

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Justkeepswiimming · 10/06/2024 20:11

Rishi keeps saying we've turned a corner, but does it really feel like we have. Do people feel better off, or less worse off.

A case in point from my very small world view. I know a mum of a 4 month old and a 3 yo who has today lost her home. The rent was put up from £600 pcm to £875. She's had to move in with her parents until temporary accommodation becomes available.

Housing is just one of the things that absolutely do not feel lime they are improving and have only got much worse under 14 years of the conservatives. So how can we trust that the next 5 years will be any better.

He's talking the words he thinks we want to hear, but why not have delivered it before if that's what they could do?

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pointythings · 10/06/2024 20:26

We won't be getting anywhere near a corner until after July 5th, and even then it's going to take a while.

Rishi has no policies that would help your single mum. Not one. Asking them 'well, why haven't you done anything about that in the past 14 years' is the question everyone should be asking.

WonderingWanda · 10/06/2024 20:28

More like plunged into an abyss!

BIossomtoes · 10/06/2024 20:31

pointythings · 10/06/2024 20:26

We won't be getting anywhere near a corner until after July 5th, and even then it's going to take a while.

Rishi has no policies that would help your single mum. Not one. Asking them 'well, why haven't you done anything about that in the past 14 years' is the question everyone should be asking.

That’s what Nick Robinson just asked him. There was no answer except “But Labour …”

Justkeepswiimming · 10/06/2024 20:34

He absolutely disgusts me

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LuluBlakey1 · 10/06/2024 20:39

No- the country is shit. My very elderly aunt has moved into assisted living.
So far to connect her to services I have made:
12 phone calls to British Gas which have taken almost 9 hours
15 phone calls to BT- which have taken 18 hours and it has taken 3 weeks to connect her to a phone. They have lied, failed with every promise they have made, cancelled the phone order 3 times, 4 engineers have not turned up and there has been no communication of that. They are appalling.

I can not change her address for her DWP pension and benefits, council tax, bank, or occupational pension- because no one will talk to me despite me having a registered POA. I can do her online banking but it does not allow me to change her address online and the nearest branch of her bank is 18 miles away and can offer me an appointment in 1 month. I have spent hours with them on the phone because there is no other way to talk to them. The local council do not answer the phone- you have to leave a message or send an email and they get back to you 'within 7 working days' with an unhelpful reply.

That is without the calls I have made to cancel accounts- Sky and Eon, neither of whom want her to cancel her account and are being very unpleasant about it and still have not done it. EON owe her £500
Her care home which she left owes her over £1000 and have not, in 3 weeks, been able to tell me when they can repay that but sent a bill for almost £5000 which was paid 5 weeks ago- demanding immediate payment.

Or the call to her GP surgery who would not change her address on a Friday afternoon - she was moving in that evening and made me ring back on the Monday.

Nothing in this country works efficiently. Nothing.

I don't know how elderly and disabled people cope at all if they are alone. BT's service for vulnerable people is staggeringly shite. I was told they would ring her within 5 working days - the point is she has no phone. They said they would ring her on her mobile. I said she is 93 and blind and can not use a mobile- she also has severe arthritis, osteoporosis and scoliosis and can not manipulate a mobile and has never even seen one.

All of her unwanted disability equipment - two large car loads - could not be collected for 6 weeks. I had to track down the place and take it all back myself. They said 'Oh thanks, most people just get rid of it at the tip or charity shop or sell it.'

She now can not hear and a service at her living accommodation is offering to syringe her ears for £80. Her doctor no longer does them. £80!

Britain is shit if you are elderly or disabled or ill or vulnerable. All of these businesses have cut their services hugely to make bigger profits or are creating services- like the ear thing- to rip off the old and vulnerable. Hair dresser in the accommodation charges £25 for a wet trim on a man, £40 for a wet cut and blow dry on a woman, £45 for a wet cut and set, Podiatrist charges £45 a month for an appointment, onsite cafe charges £9.95 for a one course lunch like a dinner plus £2.50 for a coffee (just flat white). If she goes down for her lunch that is £12.50 a day.

Rip-off Britain.

Wasntmeanttobelikethis · 10/06/2024 20:40

The more he speaks, the more unlikeable and untrustworthy he appears
He doesn’t like being challenged and squirms like a schoolboy being interrogated by his headmaster
Surprised he is going to see it through until July

Snippit · 10/06/2024 20:43

i can sum him up in two word, Absolute Twat!!

I hate the toddy nosed prick!

Wasntmeanttobelikethis · 10/06/2024 20:46

Might stay up on Election night just to see his privileges face when he (hopefully) loses his seat

Wasntmeanttobelikethis · 10/06/2024 20:46

Privileged face

Clavinova · 10/06/2024 20:49

Justkeepswiimming
A case in point from my very small world view. I know a mum of a 4 month old and a 3 yo who has today lost her home. The rent was put up from £600 pcm to £875. She's had to move in with her parents until temporary accommodation becomes available.

Does the mum have a working partner?

AmpleFatball · 10/06/2024 20:50

If he truly thinks the UK has turned a corner and things will start to improve, why on earth would he have called an election now? Surely - if the corner had been turned - he’d have been better off holding off on an election for at least another few months.

Hedgeoffressian · 10/06/2024 20:51

Is Labour going to tax pensions?

Justkeepswiimming · 10/06/2024 21:11

He was sat like he'd sh*t his pants.

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Justkeepswiimming · 10/06/2024 21:12

Clavinova · 10/06/2024 20:49

Justkeepswiimming
A case in point from my very small world view. I know a mum of a 4 month old and a 3 yo who has today lost her home. The rent was put up from £600 pcm to £875. She's had to move in with her parents until temporary accommodation becomes available.

Does the mum have a working partner?

No!

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Justkeepswiimming · 10/06/2024 21:13

AmpleFatball · 10/06/2024 20:50

If he truly thinks the UK has turned a corner and things will start to improve, why on earth would he have called an election now? Surely - if the corner had been turned - he’d have been better off holding off on an election for at least another few months.

I absolutely agree. And they all know that later on in the year it will be crap again and they don't want to call an election then, when winter reality sets back in.

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Whatelsecouldibecalled · 10/06/2024 21:20

No corner turning over here. Worse off than ever.

Two young children in childcare 3 full days and 4 full days. We both work in 'respectable' jobs. We live 'up north' in a small 3 bed. Drive 6+ year old cars. No extras like gym memberships etc. We have £36.80 left at the end of the month. It's depressing.

Our nursery fees are crippling us. If I hear one more time about 'free' childcare I'm going to scream.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/06/2024 21:20

Hedgeoffressian · 10/06/2024 20:51

Is Labour going to tax pensions?

The question is, other than those out of work, who is Labour NOT going to tax??

Re the snake, aka Rishi - in my judgement, we have turned a corner and the not lot in number 10 will reap the benefits

Petrol prices down
Diesel prices, down!!
Gas, down
electric, down
Interest rates heading south
Food prices stablisising
Used car prices, nearly new ie 12 to 24 month old cars eseicpal EV's cars, prices down

We are getting there but with wage inflation its a tricky one

Vote Labour by all means if you don't work and have little or no aspirations.
Vote Labour if you want to see those on mid to average wages punished via higher taxes.
Vote labour if you envy those that have worked hard to buy their own home and keep social housing free for others and you want IHT increased
Vote labour if you want NHS workers to get inflation plaus 30% pay rises
Vote labour if you have not faith in our nuclear deterrent
Vote Labour if you want Angela Rayner pulling Starmers strings
Vote Labour if you want to stick VAT on private education so those just about affording it by working 80 hours a week for their cilds education can no longer afford it
Vote Labour if you want equality for all just like the socialist Starmer. But
I urger you to look up the main definition of a 'socialist' then look up Starmers and other Labour MP's wealth
Vote labour if you want your boiler to be replace by a so-called green heating system that will cost you 10k if you work

Vote Labour and see Egnalnd go bankrupt just like several Labour coucils

Yes, vote Labour just for the sake it like many did for Brexit and we know what happened after that

Romeiswheretheheartis · 10/06/2024 21:23

AmpleFatball · 10/06/2024 20:50

If he truly thinks the UK has turned a corner and things will start to improve, why on earth would he have called an election now? Surely - if the corner had been turned - he’d have been better off holding off on an election for at least another few months.

If he reckons they're doing such a great job, why isn't his manifesto ' we're going to keep on doing what we're doing' ? Says it all, that he's got to rely on empty threats promises like national service.

pointythings · 10/06/2024 21:23

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/06/2024 21:20

The question is, other than those out of work, who is Labour NOT going to tax??

Re the snake, aka Rishi - in my judgement, we have turned a corner and the not lot in number 10 will reap the benefits

Petrol prices down
Diesel prices, down!!
Gas, down
electric, down
Interest rates heading south
Food prices stablisising
Used car prices, nearly new ie 12 to 24 month old cars eseicpal EV's cars, prices down

We are getting there but with wage inflation its a tricky one

Vote Labour by all means if you don't work and have little or no aspirations.
Vote Labour if you want to see those on mid to average wages punished via higher taxes.
Vote labour if you envy those that have worked hard to buy their own home and keep social housing free for others and you want IHT increased
Vote labour if you want NHS workers to get inflation plaus 30% pay rises
Vote labour if you have not faith in our nuclear deterrent
Vote Labour if you want Angela Rayner pulling Starmers strings
Vote Labour if you want to stick VAT on private education so those just about affording it by working 80 hours a week for their cilds education can no longer afford it
Vote Labour if you want equality for all just like the socialist Starmer. But
I urger you to look up the main definition of a 'socialist' then look up Starmers and other Labour MP's wealth
Vote labour if you want your boiler to be replace by a so-called green heating system that will cost you 10k if you work

Vote Labour and see Egnalnd go bankrupt just like several Labour coucils

Yes, vote Labour just for the sake it like many did for Brexit and we know what happened after that

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Whoa, someone took their mask off!

It's better without your faux neutrality, it's good to be honest about where you're coming from and I salute you for admitting you're a Tory. We live in a democracy and we are all free to vote as we wish!

Snippit · 10/06/2024 21:28

Snippit · 10/06/2024 20:43

i can sum him up in two word, Absolute Twat!!

I hate the toddy nosed prick!

Obviously toffee nosed, bloody predictive text 🤦‍♀️

I had the Tory candidate call the other week, pathetic! I have a degenerative disease M.S and can no longer work because of it. I’ve had to give up work, am on a legacy benefit that didn’t get the Covid £20 uplift that everyone on Universal Credit received. I claim PIP and use some of the allowance for an automatic car so I am mobile.

I pointed out to him that a voucher system isn’t feasible, and they’re attacking the weakest in society. He interjected that they don’t mean the likes of me, but those that can work and choose not to. I pointed out to him that PIP had nothing to do with whether you can work, and isn’t a taxable benefit.

He then asked if I was voting for Kier, to which I replied I thought we voted for our local candidates 🤔? But, my lovely local M.P who has helped my daughter and is very approachable will get my vote, and he’s labour. I told the Tory Twat that if it means getting you lot out then YES!

He was quite shocked as I live in what is classed as an affluent part of the town, in a detached house on a quiet close 🤣. I was born to working class parents, worked hard for where I am with my husband and utterly pissed off that I have M.S and can no longer work, then that lot make you feel like even more of a stain on society. To say I’m fuming is an understatement!!

Gtfto2024 · 10/06/2024 22:00

Definitely not.
I currently have 2 dc living at home and another about to move back in.
2 are working and trying to save to buy a house, 1 is living at home for uni as it's not affordable to live out.
Our last visit to A&E had a 10 hour wait.
I can't drive the couple of miles to work without pothole filled roads.
Our food bill is extortionate and the range of choice is still shrinking. Wages have stagnated.

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/06/2024 22:05

Gtfto2024 · 10/06/2024 22:00

Definitely not.
I currently have 2 dc living at home and another about to move back in.
2 are working and trying to save to buy a house, 1 is living at home for uni as it's not affordable to live out.
Our last visit to A&E had a 10 hour wait.
I can't drive the couple of miles to work without pothole filled roads.
Our food bill is extortionate and the range of choice is still shrinking. Wages have stagnated.

You make valid points. I try to look on the bright side buy hoping things will get better and hopefully never as awful as they have it in Wales and Scotland.

The SNP in Scotland has really messed things up and whoever governs has done equally as bas in Wales. We don't want to go down that road

LuluBlakey1 · 10/06/2024 22:05

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/06/2024 21:20

The question is, other than those out of work, who is Labour NOT going to tax??

Re the snake, aka Rishi - in my judgement, we have turned a corner and the not lot in number 10 will reap the benefits

Petrol prices down
Diesel prices, down!!
Gas, down
electric, down
Interest rates heading south
Food prices stablisising
Used car prices, nearly new ie 12 to 24 month old cars eseicpal EV's cars, prices down

We are getting there but with wage inflation its a tricky one

Vote Labour by all means if you don't work and have little or no aspirations.
Vote Labour if you want to see those on mid to average wages punished via higher taxes.
Vote labour if you envy those that have worked hard to buy their own home and keep social housing free for others and you want IHT increased
Vote labour if you want NHS workers to get inflation plaus 30% pay rises
Vote labour if you have not faith in our nuclear deterrent
Vote Labour if you want Angela Rayner pulling Starmers strings
Vote Labour if you want to stick VAT on private education so those just about affording it by working 80 hours a week for their cilds education can no longer afford it
Vote Labour if you want equality for all just like the socialist Starmer. But
I urger you to look up the main definition of a 'socialist' then look up Starmers and other Labour MP's wealth
Vote labour if you want your boiler to be replace by a so-called green heating system that will cost you 10k if you work

Vote Labour and see Egnalnd go bankrupt just like several Labour coucils

Yes, vote Labour just for the sake it like many did for Brexit and we know what happened after that

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Hello Penny Mordant! No one is going to vote for you and your scare-mongering.

LuluBlakey1 · 10/06/2024 22:07

DistinguishedSocialCommentator · 10/06/2024 21:20

The question is, other than those out of work, who is Labour NOT going to tax??

Re the snake, aka Rishi - in my judgement, we have turned a corner and the not lot in number 10 will reap the benefits

Petrol prices down
Diesel prices, down!!
Gas, down
electric, down
Interest rates heading south
Food prices stablisising
Used car prices, nearly new ie 12 to 24 month old cars eseicpal EV's cars, prices down

We are getting there but with wage inflation its a tricky one

Vote Labour by all means if you don't work and have little or no aspirations.
Vote Labour if you want to see those on mid to average wages punished via higher taxes.
Vote labour if you envy those that have worked hard to buy their own home and keep social housing free for others and you want IHT increased
Vote labour if you want NHS workers to get inflation plaus 30% pay rises
Vote labour if you have not faith in our nuclear deterrent
Vote Labour if you want Angela Rayner pulling Starmers strings
Vote Labour if you want to stick VAT on private education so those just about affording it by working 80 hours a week for their cilds education can no longer afford it
Vote Labour if you want equality for all just like the socialist Starmer. But
I urger you to look up the main definition of a 'socialist' then look up Starmers and other Labour MP's wealth
Vote labour if you want your boiler to be replace by a so-called green heating system that will cost you 10k if you work

Vote Labour and see Egnalnd go bankrupt just like several Labour coucils

Yes, vote Labour just for the sake it like many did for Brexit and we know what happened after that

Edited

You are bonkers. You write deluded drivel and do it on every thread you contribute to. Your contributions to threads on VAT on private school fees were almost nonsensical at times. You must live in La-La land.

BastardisMendacem · 10/06/2024 22:15

Hedgeoffressian · 10/06/2024 20:51

Is Labour going to tax pensions?

No.

A bit complex to type on a phone but in a nutshell:

Pensions are already taxed.
Anyone on a pension less than £12500 per year doesn't pay tax. Just as anyone earning less than that doesn't.

If your private or state pension soon goes above that, you will pay tax unless the Tories implement a bigger tax allowance for pensioners than other groups. Which they've said they will do (give prisoners a specific and bigger tax free personal allowance than today).

For someone on the state pension to pay any tax the state onion would have to go up about £1000 - on which they would pay about £15 a year in tax. Leaving them £985 better off than today.