Voting for Reform

[Behappyandbehave]

Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

Not every immigrant have rich father like you do. I also came to UK on a high skilled visa. But that does not mean there are immigrants seeking support.

It's not even about what immigrants contribute because overall they make positive contributions. It is about UK being a tiny country and already overpopulated and people are not wrong to expect some control over immigration numbers.

Also, if people living here are not willing to work in care and similar sectors, plus 25% of young population is not able to work due to circumstances, what is the long term solution? Keep importing those many people every year?

I don't think it's fair to assess a candidate based on a debate. KS should not be expected to answer to please everyone. People don't want taxes increased, but they want more public service investment, they want less crime, better working conditions fot teachers but no vat on private education, lowering queues in NHS requires investment in NHS, they also want to have immigration control, also reduce national debt. Is Kier supposed to have a money tree to solve the mess created by tories in last 14 years?

He cannot answer everything. Reform may have all the answers because Nigel never lived in real world, son of stoke broker, himself being a trader, he had a fairly well off life. He is most likely over promising to get votes.

And another Reform candidate

EXCLUSIVE: Another Reform Candidate Who is Former Conservative Councillor Accused Of Sharing ‘Fascist’ Content.
Byline Times reveals Reform's candidate in Richmond Park, Michael Hearn has previously come under fire for sharing content from Generation Identity and regularly makes racist social media posts

https://bylinetimes.com/2024/06/29/another-reform-candidate-who-is-former-conservative-councillor-accused-of-sharing-fascist-content/

This.

Ive had a good look through the Reform contract. I have to say I’m leaning more and more towards voting for them. We should have started looking after our own many years ago. This country has gone to shit and it’s probably too late but unless people start voting for radical change we’ll have another 5 years of the same shit, different government

Does the contract explain how Reform UK Ltd will fund the massive tax cuts?

I suppose people can put the extra money towards private healthcare insurance.

@IClaudine . We should have started looking after our own many years ago …

My own are human beings of all varieties. What are yours?

Apologies, Claudine. That was to the poster you quoted, not you.

here we go:

'Gravely concerning' claims of Russian interference in general election to spread support for Farage's Reform | Politics News | Sky News

I don't trust sky news. Farage must be doing really well in polls.

Anyone who's watched Farage on GB News knows he has Vladimir Putin's hand right up his arse.

That's your personal opinion..

It’s many people’s opinion.

I love these tin foil hat conspiracy theories.

Seriously look at the situation. Putin has a full on war going on in Ukraine, he is trying to keep the economy going in face of western sanctions, maintain order at home and he is desperately trying to stay in power.

Yet despite all these competing priorities the conspiracy theorists genuinely believe that Putin has time and money to invest in Nigel Farage so that he can win that critical strategic parliamentary seat of Clacton.

Whoah I'm sure that the establishment will be quaking in the boots knowing that Putin has created a puppet state in Clacton from which to launch a takeover of western civilisation.

What makes this even more funny is that there are people out that genuinely believe this.

We should have started looking after our own many years ago

What does this mean? How do you define 'our own'? I look British but a few generations back I'm all Irish, do I count? Do I count more than someone who is all Pakistani a few generations back?

Do you mean you want to expand the benefits system to support our own? If not, what do you mean? Some kind of preferential employment opportunities for white people?

When people say things like this, they mean: 1. My life is shit because someone's taken something from me 2. The natural state of things is for people like me to have all they want 3. If we do something harsh to a scapegoat, I'll get the rights and privileges I deserve

If you don't have all you want in life, it's a mix of hard luck, not working enough, and rich and powerful people deciding you shouldn't have it. It's not the fault of people who come here to do care work etc.

I don't think anyone thinks Putin uses Farage to create a puppet state, don't be facetious.

What is entirely feasible to the point of being barely deniable is that Putin wants to cause chaos in the west and the odd couple of million thrown to the Brexit campaign/reform party donor is money well spent from that point of view.

Putin doesn't want to conquer us, he wants to cause division and mayhem. They've accepted Russia is shit and won't be a leader of the world, they want to bring other countries down to their level.

Wasn't there a mystery 2 million Brexit donation from Arron Banks, recent bankrupt, that no one could explain? And any journalist who asked about it got sued into oblivion?

It's not a conspiracy theory. Go and read some of Carole Cadwalladr's brexit reporting.
Of course it suits Putin to have the West bickering and fighting so he can get on with his plan to re-establish a dominant Soviet Union. Of course it suits him to have a mouthpiece wanging on and putting across Russia's messaging regarding Ukraine
You are very naive to think he wouldn't be doing this.

On one thing we agree. That is that we should start looking after our own, namely by educating people enough that they can see through the Nigel Farage/Reform spin.

@WaitingfortheTardis

"On one thing we agree. That is that we should start looking after our own, namely by educating people enough that they can see through the Nigel Farage/Reform spin."

As many previous posters have explained, having the "left wing intellectual elite" describe Reform voters as uneducated, racists, white or fascists is not exactly the most intelligent or compelling counter argument and will only serve to encourage more people to vote Reform and entrench the existing Reform voters.

If people wish to cut off their noses to spite their faces then so be it.

I don't know why people are bothering with this thread really. Doesn't matter if you vote reform Labour will get in.
Only thing I'm concerned about is Starmer is keeping a tight lip and giving little away. There is very little info in his manifesto. Just look at the health / NHS one!
Just wondering if anyone voting Labour actually knows what they stand for ?!

" smash the gangs" gives me the ick!!

Why people bother with this thread?

To show what Reform stand for and who their candidates are, even if it doesn't matter.

@MgW1

Do try harder

@MgW1

"Just wondering if anyone voting Labour actually knows what they stand for "

That they are not the Conservatives is basically about all Labour stand for.

@DuncinToffee it seems to have been sabotaged by a lot of lefties. All people can do is vote hard right to keep Labour centre because they are highly likely to win. I am not against this group btw!

1dayatatime
Oh no please educate yourself !