Voting for Reform

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Would this be such a bad idea? I hate labour and tories. But I don't know enough about Reform.

@MrsSkylerWhite

We certainly have absorbed many different groups over the centuries, and some of them have left their mark on our DNA, no doubt to our genetic advantage.

For the last millennium though, immigrants have come in very small numbers compared to the native population, and were able to assimilate into the British population, and become British. Because their numbers were small!

Sure, @EasternStandard

Dear posters

Seeking asylum is not illegal

Sure what?

Quote a post of mine using it then.

I’m aware of the limitations and reality of the current set up.

It’s why countries are struggling and you are seeing the rise of the far right in the EU. None of it is a surprise and some could see it happening a while back for obvious reasons.

If you’re going to spend your energy on language you’ll find the pressure keeps mounting especially if France use the U.K. to resolve their migration issues if Le Pen gets in.

We can thank Boris’s insanely liberal points system for the increase.

It jumped immediately in 1997, then again in 2004. Stayed high in every year except during COVID and have now exploded.

Both Labour and the Tories have presided over unprecedented levels of immigration.

I think that's the conservative cost of supporting somebody with no skills from aged 30 until their deaths aged 80.

Housing @ €10k per year = €500k
France spends €6600 per capita on healthcare = €330k

Old age care costs €24k per year, so five years = €120k

French benefits (RSA) = €766 month = €460k

There will be other costs - e.g. if they are criminals, jail is very expensive.

Surely if they are ' illegal' they won't be getting any of those things. They will be working and living illegally. They will only be entitled to all of that once they have been a given legal right to remain.

Either way, the French have a massive financial and social incentive to send them all across the channel.

Don't worry, Nige and his army of tinfoil boats will send them back

There has been massive migration through history.

the vikings are taught in junior school

the windrush was an era of mass migration and the nhs was built upon this

indian migration was massive in the 1960s - it’s where Rushi grandparents originated before moving to east Africa

Farage is a Huguenot name, mass migration when they were persecuted in France

Mandate to do so may well increase in the next few weeks

Labour won’t be able to counter it

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/articles/zft8dp3

500,000 came from the Caribbean between 1948-1970

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/huguenots-in-england/

50,000 Huguenots came to U.K. at a time when the population was 11 million whereas now it’s 6x that number

Why not? The French might be more inclined to work with a new government.

500k over 22 years versus 10 million during the past 20 years...

We didn’t need as many back after WE2 to run the NHS

is with an aging population we need more doctors 33% are born abroad, more nurses 27% are born abroad and then thousands of carers 20% are from abroad - the boomers don’t want to perish without NHS care

This is just not true. Huguenot’s were 40 or 50k over 20 years. Immigrants from the commonwealth were less than half a million, also spread out over 20 years.

Absolutely nothing like what we have today. We have twice that level of immigration every year.

What happens when these new 10 million people get old. How many more people will we need to import to take care of them?

Nobody will ever answer this question.

It does tend to be a Ponzi scheme if you rely on increasing numbers indefinitely

Re France potentially going right in next few weeks.

Hardline policy will be put in place for their electorate and will push more people to the U.K.

Although Starmer’s proposal doesn’t help either in that it is not feasible - hence no one else focusing on the same solution despite billions in funding available.

Absolutely this. Ignore condescending comments from other posters who think they know what's best for us. Let's democracy decide what public wants.

Migrants crossing the channel aren't going into legal forms of employment but they are hugely expensive.

Was at a Care Home over the weekend, plenty of staff and well run, all the staff were from Asia and Africa, a few years ago, the same CH was staffed by East Europeans but they've gone now, we voted for less migrants but now have 3 x as many and for many Reform voters, they are the wrong colour.

Rwanda is no deterrent, the numbers who may have been sent there are tiny, not even 1%.... its not like the Aus scheme where everyone got sent to PNG.

Agree a right wing France/EU is bad news for the UK, especially after Brexit, we've no influence now, as a net contributor we would have had some.... Le Pen wont stop x ch migration, the exact opposite.

Personally I’d go for a deterrent over not having one. Even a notification moved a large number of people to Ireland

I’d prefer for UK not to be the final country in the line, it’ll become very hard

At least Ireland can call on the EU to get support

No, @ThisOldThang, I wanted a link to a proper academic source, not your own cooked up guesses... OK, it's bollocks then - I thought it was.

"I’d prefer for UK not to be the final country in the line" What are you talking about?
Most refugees stay in the country next door to the one they are fleeing. That's Turkey, Pakistan, Lebanon, even Iran has 2 million refugees.
It's a ridiculously small amount that travel by boat to the UK compared to the 40 million refugees in the world. Most stay in the first place they can that's half safe.
I'm pretty sure more could be done to stop traffickers (something which Labour promises, btw), who actually go into refugee camps to recruit people to smuggle, promising them a great future in the UK. It's not even like coming to the UK was the dream they crossed all of Europe for. As explain in the recent excellent BBC podcast Catching a Scorpion, about a money-obsessed, ruthless people smuggler, which I recommend.