Will Labour pay Jnr doctors the ridculous 35% they are demanding?

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This is unaffordable and that is a fact
So what promises are the Labour lot making, that is if they have the time to discuss this other than what 's happening to Dainae Abbott

If us the taxpayers could afford the 35%, then I'd be happy to sanction the rise but we can't afford that

FIVE days of strike - this will have another massive impact on those waiting for appointments and those having them cancelled. The doctors knew what the pay and conditions were when they decided to take the job and the strikes should be outlawed. The police can't strike, the armed forces can't strike, so why are doctors allowed to strike??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640

My plumber is 85£/hour last week - she was about 25 and told me about the 3 yr course and 5 years experience she had.

worth every penny to fix the problem.

my doctor is also worth that

Yet another reason to privatise NHS so that people like you start appreciating the service you get for free.

I mean the rather obvious problem is that they do know the pay which is why we have a shortage of doctors

Or are we to ignore the obvious?

what is the minimum gross pay of a junior doctor inc Allwaoances - trust me its not "15 pounds an hour" - it is much more than that as allowances, and regular overtime is paid

I'll answer your question re docs how to keep theme here - if you answer mine, ie are doctors not aware re pay scales before deciding to train as a doc???

No, when this cohort of doctors applied to medical school 8 or so years ago, they weren't told that they would be unable to afford rent, would be relying on food banks, would have a real possibility of unemployement and would have a six-figure debt that would go up year on year as the interest is greater than the repayments. That has all changed over the last decade. They also weren't aware that they would be expected to supervise PAs and take medicolegal responsibility for the decisions of PAs who are paid significantly more than them. As a GP, when I had a nanny (which is often the only form of childcare you can do because hours are too long for nursery) - this was someone off childcare.co.uk, not norland style, I was taking home less than minimum wage after childcare. That was six years after qualifying.

Scroll down here til you get to the graph comparing JD pay with others and then see if you still think they are unreasonable. https://www.ft.com/content/f0fe5dcc-3797-4796-a19e-a2ee6c1b7be9

I love threads by Kate Middletons bestie!

If you want doctors to stay in the uk and NHS then they need to be paid more or treated better in work. Otherwise people leaving is a no brainer.

I know, she does make me laugh!
it's quite sweet how someone thinks they can just parrot the same phrases over and over and people will agree with her.

I don’t think when 17yr olds apply to uni they know the wage the hours and what that wage realistically means for the hours after 10/15years of studying if still living at home and mum and dad pay the rent?

Just seen this Tweet from a final year med student. Doesn't make the NHS attractive....

After waiting an extra 7 weeks to find out my hospital for foundation training, I was told that I’m being sent to a hospital 2 hours away from where I live, that I hadn’t even put on my preferencing form. How does U.K. medical training get away with playing with peoples lives

You understand what's happened to the economy in the last 8-9 years right?

Or are students applying to uni supposed to be able to predict economic conditions nearly a decade into the future, because in which case they should be heading into financial trading

She does have friends in all the relevant current topics don’t you know and inside knowledge about all these things though.

But but he knows the facts bud!!!

Quite. Especially against a background of rising prices and energy bill, rising rents, increasing mortgage rates, salary increases being low enough to reduce actual salaries to what they were 10 years previously AND crumbling hospitals, 14 years of Tory underfunding and a pandemic.

Your arguments are incoherent and undermining your credibility.

You have decided that the pay increase that doctors are asking for is ridiculous. You appear to be in a minority (certainly here).

Will Labour pay it? I doubt it, but they'll probably pay more than the current shower. Even then they will need to locate the magic money tree that the Conservatives have depleted.

Do doctors go into it with their eyes open? Who knows? I expect that there is an amount of incredulous realisation that pay has been eroded to such an extent. After all, who amongst us sets out on a path at the age of 18 thinking about what they could earn? I know that some do, but I certainly didn't. I wish I had.

The fact that you appear to be angry about the state of politics today is only joining a club that the rest of us have been in for quite a while. Welcome (belatedly) to it.

I'm pleased you managed to meet your expectations of employment. More power to you.

Given that you have achieved your life's ambitions, I understand even less what it is you are hoping to achieve with these threads other than exorcising your political angst.

Perhaps you should write to Sunak?

It's not even a pay rise, it's just restoration to what the pay used to be. So all these doctors striking thought they'd be getting a lot more than they are being paid so they didn't know what they're getting themselves into. The waiting times are terrifying at the moment. People are dying unnecessarily because there just aren't enough people to treat them and there isn't enough funding. Staff are leaving because it's awful working in those conditions. Maybe adequately paying the NHS staff would be a start in retaining staff and saving the NHS. Unless you'd prefer privatization? Because that's where it's heading.

Therefore, if the doctors are unhappy with their pay - get another job

But we don't want them to get another job, we want them to stay being doctors so our medical needs can be met....

There are many doctors prepared to come to England and this has always been the case
It's historical that docs and nurses left England for Saudia Arbia, UAE, USA, Canada, New Zealnd etc and we got docs and nurses from the EU, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, India and now some African countries as well

People have always moved around

please dont make me LOL as everyone will want that - several million council workers had no pay rise for 3 years and historically below inflation pay rises - try again

What is Labour offering the docs - that's right, nothing

I have so many questions for you but I doubt your ability to answer any of them. Here's a few though. Perhaps whoever looks after you could help?

1. Are you familiar with the saying "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"
2. How much did the Tories jizz up the wall at - to take one example - the fragrant and money-grubbing Michelle Mone?
3. Was that money well spent?
4. Do you have any grasp at all of the contempt which many many MNers hold for your ill informed and frankly juvenile opinions?

That'll do for now. Don't give yourself a ballache trying to answer.

Well the one thing I can be certain from that is you don't have all the FACTs 🙄

And your point is?

I suspect the real problem here is that junior doctors are asking for an inflation based pay increase and the OP (as a council worker) is unlikely to get one.

No worries OP you can always get another job. Or sell the sports car.

At this point I'm think humiliation fetish

Is 'right!!!' the mot du jour?