Do you feel there will be an increase in illegal immigrants with a Labour government

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What is Labour's plan to stop the boat people? How will this stop those who want to come to England via channel crossings illegally??

What in your opinion is encouraging the boat/channel crossing illeagle immigrants to want to come to England even though they are already is a very safe and generous nation?

IMO, most that come to England now, the vast majority are young men looking for a better financial future. My opinion is based on the basis that if I was in a war-torn country and wanted to escape persecution etc. I would leave the country WITH MY FAMILY and would be grateful once in a safe country and not risk our helth/lift etc crossing the channel in small dingys.

So, do you feel that potential illegal immigrants are just hoping that Labour gets into power as they are seen as a softer touch??

We. ie my parents and siblings came to England in the early 60's from Asia via legal routes as England need workers - parents rented a room and built up their wealth from there.

FYI: If you go abroad, lets say to China/India/Newzealand/etc for a hols, fall in love with someone and want to marry them - just check out the criteria that you have to meet to sponsor a visa and then the massive costs for them to come over and then become a Brtish cotozen after 5 years of good standing - the person coming over is entitled to nothing other than access to NHS and this is allowed as the person/s coming over undergo strict medical tests - therefore very unfair on those wanting to come to England via legal routes

England needs skilled and unskilled workers and those who are coming over legally go through many tests before being allowed here and massive costs. It is very unfair to allow the boat people etc to settle in England when they have already entered a safe nation IMO

IMO, we created the stife in Afhghransatan, Libya, Syria and Iraq along with our boss the good old USA

People, and families do not help in war-torn nations and the very poor nations - most that come over illegally from the poorer, very poorer parts of the world pay thousands to gangs etc - Therefore, these people are not the real poor people who may be earning 50p a day for backbreaking work

I'm all for immigration - we too had considered the USA and Portugal but stayed in the UK. I welcome those who want to come to our country but in my judgement, these people must be scrended just like those people who come to Englland via legal routes

@somewhereovertherain

What is wrong with Rwanda? If I were in peril I would go to any safe place. May be you are the one who is racist and ill-informed. Lol

Also, where did I say they were all criminals? Stop making shit up and denying evidence of criminal gangs. You look like an idiot.

Because Rwanda isn't a safe place. Despite the Tories passing a law to claim it is. May as well pass a law saying that black is white.

We can read:

I do not have any sympathy for criminal gangs coming here under false pretence

Your post at 15.22

No

https://www.euronews.com/travel/2022/01/24/rwanda-the-6th-safest-country-for-solo-travellers-new-survey-finds

@BIWI you can read but you pick and choose i clearly said some of them are criminals in the first post.

Rwanda isn't safe though. There are serious human rights issues. And the UK has taken in asylum seekers from Rwanda.
If an asylum seeker (it is not ilegal to seek asylum) is processed and found to be genuine then we should offer them asylum if they are processed and not genuine then they should be sent back
The Rwanda scheme is a very expensive nonsense. At the moment there are 10s of thousands of asylum seekers sitting in hotel accommodation not being processes because the Government has stopped processing them .

No

The number of people crossing here would make the waiting time worse? They need to be vetted and some do not have a way of proving who they are. Hopefully the new government just does not rubber stamp the process. The worry is that it does not seem to be a cap number. It is not racist to question this but it is irresponsible to not question this issue along with the immigration in general. It is high on the agenda for the next elections. Ignore it at your peril but do not complain you can’t find houses or services working.

So you are saying France has an interest in keeping those that arrive illegally in their country, no forgetting how many locals feel there

Why should they, the asylum seekers come to England when they are already in a safe country??? As I said its not fair on those that come via legal routes, nor fair on those people where asylum seekers seem to get dumped as it puts pressure on services

Yes, as I said, I blame the Tories for this mess. They had two choices, keep their traps shut or do nothing. Sadly. the clowns could not keep their traps shot not could they keep their promises. This IMO has resulted in the upsurge of clowns from the extreme right wing rearing their heads again after a long absence

Labour, I honestly feel they will make things worse - and it will be a case of tomorrow, tomorrow......

Oh bless, what do you think that proves?

Being a rich tourist in Rwanda is very different to being a vulnerable person with no money or home of their own.

Good to see MNHQ deleted @Bululu 's nasty post.

I don't believe there is anything Labour could do to screw this country up more than the Conservative party have.

Yes

Labour usually do though. That’s why they spend more time in Opposition!

Ask those living in Wales under Labour and what has happened to the NHS on their watch

An important fact - Labour comes in fr a short period and still managed to F up England, As I'm an ex Tory, I also have to say that Liz Truss came to mind when I was typing this post - IR, Mrs Truss F'd up England in a couple of weeks and tens of millions of us are paying for her handy work and will continue to do so for some time to come - unless Labour sneaks in via back door with their, well anybody friend at the right price, aka the Liberals😂

In all seriousness - The Tories are no better than Labour IMO other than the Tories don't take the country close to bankruptcy like Labour does
Just in case you are too young to recall that - see below:

In September 1976, the UK's economy was in such a poor state that the Labour government was forced to go cap-in-hand to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) to ask for a record US$3.9 billion loan. It was a pivotal moment which seemed to symbolise

https://www.google.com/search?q=labour+goes+cap+in+hand+to+imf&rlz=1CAXCFT_enGB1105&oq=labour+goes+cap+in+hand+to+imf&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCDc5NTVqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Whats wrong with Rwanda plan? is that only a max of 2% will ever go there....
In the first year or two, its less than 1% of x channel migrants... then there is the 100k already here, in camps, hotels or just in the community.

Rwanda can only be a deterrent if there is a significant chance of being sent there.

Then there is the simple fact that Rwanda is heading for its own migrant crisis, with refugees coming from Sudan and C.A.R... its not a stable country, as its more recent history tells us.

Err & the Tories gave us the 3 day week... & gave us the Suez crisis....whats your point? all the politicians involved in these embarrassing events are all dead.

Pathetic.

That’s what Andrew ‘Reliable Target’ Davies (biggest twat going in Welsh politics while we are at it) likes to say - the reality is Labour inherited a massive shit show and have progressively been given less money year-on-year by UKG to sort it out. It’s not a secret! Also I’ve never voted Labour before that gets peddled out as a basis for my post.

Why would I say you are a labour fan - I would not as I don't know you

Your post, the kindest thing I can say about it, please stop talking complete and utter nonsense as Labour has ran wales one way or another for donkeys years

Wales want to be totally atonomus, so they need to manage money just like the rest of us

A bit of history on Labour in Wales and thanks to their "shit show" re NHS

Welsh Labour and its forebears have won a plurality of the Welsh vote at every UK general election since 1922, every Assembly and Senedd election since 1999, and all elections to the European Parliament in the period 1979–2004 and in 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Labour#:~:text=Welsh%20Labour%20and%20its%20forebears,1979%E2%80%932004%20and%20in%202014.

Exactly.

No, I don’t think so .

Fan? I said voter, not fan. What are you on about? I was making the point that my post wasn’t in defence of Labour because I have any sort of affiliation.

I don’t need kind comments on my post thank you, especially not from a sanctimonious windbag (kindest thing I can say about your post).

The word you are looking for is autonomous and not all of Wales want it, so don’t say that they do. Wales isn’t ’one thing’ or ‘one group of people acting in the same direction’. Strangely we are a mix of people of different political persuasions, priorities and convictions.

Thanks for your Wikipedia information, as a living and breathing Welsh person I am fully availed of Welsh political history, including the many failures of Welsh Government post-devolution, particularly as it crosses over into my career. But to try and pretend that Welsh Labour are at the root of all of the NHS problems in Wales is one-eyed and shockingly disingenuous.

Here’s a link right back atcha. Again, I didn’t vote for him, but chwarae teg to Mark Drakeford for this display of apoplexy in response to RT being his usual obnoxious (and inaccurate) self - enjoy!

There won't be an NHS if the Conservatives carry on the way they're going.

Also, the NHS is only one part of the total. Albeit an important one.