Do you feel there will be an increase in illegal immigrants with a Labour government

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What is Labour's plan to stop the boat people? How will this stop those who want to come to England via channel crossings illegally??

What in your opinion is encouraging the boat/channel crossing illeagle immigrants to want to come to England even though they are already is a very safe and generous nation?

IMO, most that come to England now, the vast majority are young men looking for a better financial future. My opinion is based on the basis that if I was in a war-torn country and wanted to escape persecution etc. I would leave the country WITH MY FAMILY and would be grateful once in a safe country and not risk our helth/lift etc crossing the channel in small dingys.

So, do you feel that potential illegal immigrants are just hoping that Labour gets into power as they are seen as a softer touch??

We. ie my parents and siblings came to England in the early 60's from Asia via legal routes as England need workers - parents rented a room and built up their wealth from there.

FYI: If you go abroad, lets say to China/India/Newzealand/etc for a hols, fall in love with someone and want to marry them - just check out the criteria that you have to meet to sponsor a visa and then the massive costs for them to come over and then become a Brtish cotozen after 5 years of good standing - the person coming over is entitled to nothing other than access to NHS and this is allowed as the person/s coming over undergo strict medical tests - therefore very unfair on those wanting to come to England via legal routes

England needs skilled and unskilled workers and those who are coming over legally go through many tests before being allowed here and massive costs. It is very unfair to allow the boat people etc to settle in England when they have already entered a safe nation IMO

IMO, we created the stife in Afhghransatan, Libya, Syria and Iraq along with our boss the good old USA

People, and families do not help in war-torn nations and the very poor nations - most that come over illegally from the poorer, very poorer parts of the world pay thousands to gangs etc - Therefore, these people are not the real poor people who may be earning 50p a day for backbreaking work

I'm all for immigration - we too had considered the USA and Portugal but stayed in the UK. I welcome those who want to come to our country but in my judgement, these people must be scrended just like those people who come to Englland via legal routes

Agreed but as per my OP it attracts so much negative attention, a negative impact on other immigrants who have arrived her legally and have lived in England for donkeys years and unfair to those that have to wait a long time for a visa, meet criteria and cost thousands

It also has raised the ugly head of the right-wing again

I blame the Totires for making it a vote catcher but unable to and do naff all about it

Well find a solution in a government where training isn't a priority, and we have endless skill needs. Also, suggest the government pays its own doctors rather than import them on the cheap, and keep the local ones from gaining promotion. Some of this stuff is not as easy to solve as it looks, and the very people who are instigating arguments about it at the top are the ones doing it. They’re dishonest. To be honest, most of the arguments about immigration are a red herring.

I don't think there will an increase.

Really - why??
What is Labours plan other than to "work "with France" etc?

The failed Rwanda plan recently did start having an impact on those that crossed the channel in small boats - reports that were going to Ireland. I guess if Labour does snaek with with a coaltions gov they will take the credit as for falling inflation and interest rates.

Everything has a shelf life no matter how go something is. The shelf left passed after the dangerous Truss messed up millions of householders' life with hyper inflation and hyper interest rates.

It’s not dead at all. The government could continue with it if they were still in power. It is expensive but if it acts as a deterrent (and even though it hasn’t started yet, it is already doing so - eg people going to Ireland) it will save money and lives in the long run.

its incredibly dangerous to cross the channel in small boats. We must not reward it or continue to encourage it.

Definitely. And an increase in legal immigration as well

I'm very worried about this

Great post
I have to admit, the plan did seem to start working - EG, people going to Irleand.

I still don't understand why these people who have arrived in a safe country/EU then risk their lives and at times lives of their family and pay tens of thousands just to get to England

As I said earlier, the gov's incompetence re this has helped the right-wing raise its ugly head again

The sooner this is address the better

Thats not true. The uk already works with france. The current government says the french stopped about 26 000 boats last year. They are stopping half of them and together broke up a whole load if criminal gangs.

The french have suggested having a uk immigration centree in france to support legal assylm claim routes but this hasnt been actioned.

"legal" immigration is required if you have not noticed the vaccines in hospitals, IT etc and farm work etc

Do you not work and not noted that many companies cant get the staff inc the hospitality industry?

People from England "immigrate" so you want to stop us going to live in Australia, spain, Canada, USA etc, etc?

Because they speak English?
Because England is more generous with benefits?

Yawn.....
As yourself this how has immigrants impacted on you personally?
I for one think we have a desperate need of labour and could offer jobs to all ...win win.

Yes legal immigration is necessary, but not uncontrolled , with the rest of the family following.

It may be good for the economy. But I worry about the negative outcomes for cultural and social integration.

Yes. It’s inevitable.

No hth.

@Bignanna

Yes legal immigration is necessary, but not uncontrolled , with the rest of the family following.

So we'll have you, but you can't bring your husband/wife and children with you. How callous is that? Do you, and your ilk, ever consider just how cruel you sound?

It’s impacted people who live in certain areas of the UK where those that have moved here have no intention to integrate. I went to uni in one of those areas and was assaulted in broad daylight and had abuse shouted at me by a complete stranger. I felt like I was the outsider. So yes, it’s impacted me.

The actions of one person though.

We are an island. There is a housing shortage. A quick google shows the BBC reporting ONS prediction that the population will increase by 6.6 million between 2021 and 2036 of which 6.1 million is from migration. Where are these people going to live? Oh I know, let’s dig up loads of green fields and build a load of houses on that land. Oh and legalise euthanasia to get rid of a few old people 🙄

If you are responding to my post, it wasn’t just one incident. I felt unsafe the whole time I was there.

Dog whistle post from a dog whistle poster (see OP’s posts about Angela Rayner, for example).

No, there won’t be an increase. And you are woefully ignorant of the reasons people try to get to the U.K.

The only thing I am unsure about is whether that ignorance is genuine or deliberate.

@Hedgeoffressian

There is a housing shortage.
This is true. Which is why the Labour party is pledging to build more houses/create new towns.

A quick google shows the BBC reporting ONS prediction that the population will increase by 6.6 million between 2021 and 2036 of which 6.1 million is from migration. Where are these people going to live? Oh I know, let’s dig up loads of green fields and build a load of houses on that land. Oh and legalise euthanasia to get rid of a few old people

We have plenty of land which could be built on - only around 6% is built on. 'We're full' is a lazy, right-wing, anti-immigration stance.

... and plenty of 'brownfield' places that could be used for new housing, without the need to remove greenbelt spaces.

One person assaulted you. Which is horrible and unforgivable, obviously. But beyond this, what were you fearful of? The bogeyman of 'people not like me'? Misanthropic at best, racist at worst.

No, I don't think that will happen. And if they end up properly funding sectors such as healthcare and social care, immigration overall might fall. If care homes and hospitals can pay wages that British people will actually work for, we won't need to poach so many essential workers from abroad.