Do you feel there will be an increase in illegal immigrants with a Labour government

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What is Labour's plan to stop the boat people? How will this stop those who want to come to England via channel crossings illegally??

What in your opinion is encouraging the boat/channel crossing illeagle immigrants to want to come to England even though they are already is a very safe and generous nation?

IMO, most that come to England now, the vast majority are young men looking for a better financial future. My opinion is based on the basis that if I was in a war-torn country and wanted to escape persecution etc. I would leave the country WITH MY FAMILY and would be grateful once in a safe country and not risk our helth/lift etc crossing the channel in small dingys.

So, do you feel that potential illegal immigrants are just hoping that Labour gets into power as they are seen as a softer touch??

We. ie my parents and siblings came to England in the early 60's from Asia via legal routes as England need workers - parents rented a room and built up their wealth from there.

FYI: If you go abroad, lets say to China/India/Newzealand/etc for a hols, fall in love with someone and want to marry them - just check out the criteria that you have to meet to sponsor a visa and then the massive costs for them to come over and then become a Brtish cotozen after 5 years of good standing - the person coming over is entitled to nothing other than access to NHS and this is allowed as the person/s coming over undergo strict medical tests - therefore very unfair on those wanting to come to England via legal routes

England needs skilled and unskilled workers and those who are coming over legally go through many tests before being allowed here and massive costs. It is very unfair to allow the boat people etc to settle in England when they have already entered a safe nation IMO

IMO, we created the stife in Afhghransatan, Libya, Syria and Iraq along with our boss the good old USA

People, and families do not help in war-torn nations and the very poor nations - most that come over illegally from the poorer, very poorer parts of the world pay thousands to gangs etc - Therefore, these people are not the real poor people who may be earning 50p a day for backbreaking work

I'm all for immigration - we too had considered the USA and Portugal but stayed in the UK. I welcome those who want to come to our country but in my judgement, these people must be scrended just like those people who come to Englland via legal routes

I do agree that illegal migration is an issue- not least because the channel crossing is so dangerous. I don’t think the Rwanda plan is a bad idea - Rwanda is a safe country looking for workers.

The Rwanda plan is insane. It's incredibly, unbelievably, extortionately expensive plus it would require us to take in people Rwanda want to get rid of.

The Rwanda plan is dead, at a cost to us of £500m. That is a bad plan in anyone's book.

The tories have been in power for 13 years. All of this is happening under their watch. What do you want to happen and you think the tories are delivering now?

I've just clocked the username. Them again! 😄

It's bizarre that people who complain about how much it costs to house* asylum seekers, are all in favour of the Rwanda scheme at £1.8m per person for the first 300 people sent there.

*Except house is the wrong word as they don't get a house. They get a roof over their head in some appalling hotel or (over)shared flat.

As per my OP and no one has answered

Why do they risk their lives in small boats across the channel if it is as awful as that#
#Forget politics - ask yourself this - I've said it before but but no one has answered the question as it will prove I am right as per my OP

If your family was at risk in lets say China - a couple of things. You would need money and loads of it, so you would agree you was not poor
Then you make to a safe nation, EG the EU - so you and your wife/DH, children are safe.
Then you risk your life along with that of your wife/DH and kids crossing in a small boat the English Channel

WHY??????????????????????????

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Because it is worse in the places they have come from?

Because they could die if they stay in the places they have come from?

Have a think why you would get in a tiny boat knowing you could die on crossing, why you would take your children on this boat, think what awful circumstances would drive you to do that and then you might slowly start to get it (but I’ll not bank on it)

I'm very sure would be migrants make sure to check who the ruling party is before they get on a leaky boat. Especially the ones who aren't even literate. The Eritreans who get caught are trying to escape lifetime conscription.

In the Americas migrants were so desperate they were crossing the Darién Gap on foot -- a place with terrain so difficult the Pan-American Highway simply stops. Desperate people do desperate things.

Pretty much the whole world can speak English, if only a little bit, because of exposure to American media. By coming to the UK, you arrive in a place where you can speak the language at least a little. This isn't the case for the nearest safe nation, nor the rest of the EU (bar Ireland, and you've got to paddle past us to reach Ireland so why would you try?). In Africa, the "nearest safe nation" might speak English as a lingua franca but not actually be safe for you because your tribe is hated by the tribes living in the nearest safe nation. (For what inter-tribal warfare looks like in the last 60 or so years, look up the Biafran War.) You come to the UK, there are no tribes and you speak the local language.

The Eritreans who get caught are trying to escape lifetime conscription.

Isn't that what we would otherwise know as "slavery"?

No

You think that France is going to stop the boats? France want them to come to England! They wave them off from the coast.

Unfortunately, it's not just young men who come, some of them risk their children's lives as well. There was a story in the news recently about a 7 year old girl who was killed in the channel. This family had already applied for Asylum in Belgium and had their application rejected because it was deemed that they were from a safe area.

Yet they still decided to come and try their luck in Britain. Britain is seen as a soft touch, that's why they come. I can't see this situation getting any better under Labour, it will likely get worse.

No

…oh it’s you again…

No, no, no and I dislike the premise and wording of the question.

Illegal immigration doesn't bother me, it is a drop in the ocean.

@42ndchance you think that an 8.2 million a day hotel bill is a drop in the Ocean?

If you come here illegally, you don't get housed in a hotel. There is nothing illegal about coming here as an asylum seeker. The vast majority of those who arrive in the UK claiming asylum have their claims granted, so they are genuine

If you're concerned about the hotel bill, you should be annoyed at the government who can't set up a decent processing system.

Rwanda borders a country that is engaged in a bloody civil war, 10s of 1000s of refugees are coming to Rwanda, also refugees from Sudan.... they don't need workers and sold the accomodation they had arranged for UK migrants to others.

Quite why anyone thinks sending 1% of x channel migrants to Rwanda is a deterrent is beyond me & what happens to the 100k plus migrants who are already here???

if being stuck in limbo, in a hostel/camp and unable to do anything at all with your life isn't a deterrent.......?

As the former head of the Border said, we need returns agreements & more international police co-op & for that, the step is far better working relationship with the EU.

Migration has gone from 220k in 2010 to over 764k under the Tories..... yet Labour will increase migration....unbelievable....

...perhaps the OP thinks a hi viz and reg number will help????

Britain is not seen as a soft touch. That's why the vast majority of refugees remain in other countries on the route.

The vast majority do remain in a neighbouring country to their own, and Germany and France keep far more of then then we do.

Britain is not seen as a soft touch. That's why the vast majority of refugees remain in other countries on the route.

Why would that be t he reason? We're so stern they don't come? No.

For people that don't come, it's because they need to pay thousands to the smuggler to get a pay across. It's not worth it and they stay in their current European country.

What about the ones that have been in Europe for years? Europe isn't a war torn country

A tiny fraction of immigrants come in boats. 4% or something similar. It's a red herring. Most immigrants are invited because we have nobody to run our public services, especially after Brexit.

I’m a generally labour voting remainer but I do think that legal immigration numbers are an issue. Not sure what the answer is though because in some respects we need those skilled workers currently.
I only really changed my mind when I saw how bad the jobs market it is for young people starting out like my son, even in London. The IT field is heavily oversaturated (so I’ve read) and many employers are taking on recruits from overseas (mainly India and Nigeria) because they are cheaper and cannot leave their job so easily because of sponsorship. Few employers want to train new starters because that means investment. The whole apprenticeship system is busted and not working for the kids who need it. Everything just seems dysfunctional.

The problem with legal migration is that all the dependants and eventual family that come with it are also a drain on public services. As these people are rarely net contributers it just keeps getting worse.

Given how high immigration has been the last few years, and that services still can't get enough people, shows this isn't working.