Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

Actually, you say it as if it were easy. Seriously. Just up sticks and go. What about elderly parents? Dump them in a care home? School ties formed by the children? Your own friends? Local church you go to? And this is going to be soooo easy even if you are loaded - cos friends, social ties and everything are going to be waiting for you on the airfield tarmac when you arrive - and things will go sooo smoothly in your newly adopted country.

Most elderly parents are working still!
kids will benefit hugely from being bilingual and experiencing other cultures.
It’s exciting and dynamic.
Why would you stay with a government hellbent on creating as much misery as possible?

I didn’t lie - you have to be earning over £125k to reach the higher tax bracket currently, would you say someone earning £124k wasn’t a high earner?

"Why would you stay with a government hellbent on creating as much misery as possible?"

We've been asking exactly this question for the last decade.

And no doubt Labour will get blamed for it.

That’s not my experience at all.

To add to that aswell

Or parents have passed on
or people don’t have kids
or kids are grown up and already left
or people move to places they have family and / or friends.

Everyone is different

Fucking hell, how many of the top 1% earners are on this thread.

Well of course it isn't, that's because you are rich.

Most elderly parents are working still!

What do you define as elderly?

@Givepeaceachance Brexit was never supposed to happen. Boris never believed in it. He was always a remainer.

He only went with leave as to what he thought was a career move to showcase himself for taking over from Cameron in 2020, who said he would serve no more than 2 terms.

Basically, he fcuked this country up with the "loveable Boris" act for the sake of 9 months as he got power in Aug 2019.

Boris predominately Farage and their ilk sold brexit on a lie. The lies that they put a cross were a cover for their real reasons the elite and city wallers wanted Brexit which was to do with the tax havens the E.U were clamping down on, on the wealthy so the public didn't end up paying instead.

Brexit has and is costing this country. The U.K economy has shrunk by £140 billion pounds. London alone has shrunk by £30 billion.

You can read the stats here. Not all problems are Brexit created. Brexit made them all worse. Yes, it was a certain type or demographic who mainly fell for it. Unfortunately, we have all paid for it

www.london.gov.uk/new-report-reveals-uk-economy-almost-ps140billion-smaller-because-brexit#:~:text=

Ah, apologies.

The Tories are finished. Their vote base is dying, and the right wing press is very very much less influential. I think the Torygraph is struggling for an owner, and Murdoch’s on his way out.

I’ve just read Starmer wants to enable 16 and 17 year olds to be allowed to vote.

What young person in their right mind is going to vote for those tossers. They just look wrong and unrepresentative of today’s population.

The Millennials are becoming more influential. They don’t vote Tory on the whole. Neither do Zeds.

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

That's always been the case, the young and the better educated tend to vote left the old and the less educated vote right. But do the young vote in enough numbers to make a substantial difference? They didn't appear to in 2019.

It’ll be interesting to see what impact if any US has ie Trump winning is a different kettle of fish to Biden

Then EU June elections

Maybe we’ll buck a trend but for how long I guess we’ll see

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

I'm not sure the rightwing press isn't as influential, but they've given Starmer an easier ride since he became leader than any other leader I can remember.

I can't think why?

Because he’s courted them, same as he’s courted business.

https://www.declassifieduk.org/keir-starmers-special-relationship-with-the-murdoch-press/

https://www.fnlondon.com/amp/articles/city-execs-warm-to-labours-pro-business-push-this-is-a-very-different-environment-20240129

Look at how the left wing of the Labour Party consider Keir Starmer - as a Tory lite ‘right winger’. He’s a centrist pragmatist rather than an ideologue (my own opinion is that this is a good thing).

I read somewhere the following:

Murdoch twat that he is backs the most likely winner.

Torygraph can’t really find an owner

Can’t remember about the Daily Mail!

Buy it’s mainly older people who buy newspapers. Younger ones get their stuff on social media, so loads won’t even see these papers.

And GB news is getting the thumbaxrews from Ofcom.

Ahh, the “pull yourselves up by the bootstraps” argument. It is obvious mathematically that 50% of children have less than average encouragement from home, and less than average teachers, get less than average academic results, and earn less than average. Some people need more help. This, in a nutshell, is why I vote Labour - I think they get this.

I was a high earner and I never begrudged paying tax - my family still had more than enough. Whether the additional rate was 50% or 45% wasn’t all that material and hardly worth emigrating over 🤷‍♀️

Indeed, and 35% of the income of those top 1% is unearned income, not much hard work involved in that.

When you get to a difference of millions plus.

It’s a big deal.

Its probably a big deal particularly in terms of inheritance tax, ( not discounting earnings here but people will be used to the high rates anyway )

Dieing in the UK with £10 million = a tax bill of £3,870,000
Other countries = a tax bill of £1,000,000

Thats a difference of £2,870,000 on £10mill.

Not forgetting some countries don’t have inheritance tax at all.
Switzerland for example ( some areas ) and a lower overall tax rate too.
Some countries have it on a local level but not national.
Others, as noted, at a much lower rate than the UK.

keffie12
You can read the stats here
The U.K economy has shrunk by £140 billion pounds

The economy hasn't 'shrunk' by £140 billion - you've linked to an estimate from a pro-EU research/consultancy company - based on modelling and a doppelgänger UK that doesn't exist ("approximately £140bn less in 2023 than it would have been"). The company has offices in Brussels and works for the European Commission;
https://www.camecon.com/news/new-brussels-office/

A breath of common sense, thank you.

keffie12
Boris predominately Farage and their ilk sold brexit on a lie. The lies that they put a cross were a cover for their real reasons the elite and city wallers wanted Brexit which was to do with the tax havens the E.U were clamping down

Farage was an MEP for 20 years - there must be easier ways to avoid paying tax.