Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

[groyard]

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

Brava, turkey muffin. You said this much more succinctly than me, a littlecwhile back

How funny.
Im actually a life long Labour voter as were my parents before me from a very long working class background.
To say I’m a Thatcherite is very insulting as a women who imprisoned my people without trial and left them to be abused and rot.

As an aside
According to questionnaires I have completed I’m a Left wing Progressive Libertarian.
Able to analyse and critique, not a sheep.
I’ll analyse what every Party has to offer, I’ll look beyond the immotive speech and decide what’s best. Then I’ll turn the sheet over and see where my choices go.

There’s not a lot between the parties at the moment other than
GC issues
Education tax and
The Rwanda policy

Ill wait and see if there’s more fact based policies coming either way. It would be great to think everyone will do the same.

Obviously. But inevitable VAT on uni fees will provide more taxes to help the gvt. Labour will of course use it to help Everyone.

Then of course the unis have no option but to increase fees. Vat plus fee increase = uni much less accessible for many. Labour achieves its goal of pushing down again.

No, but then all my friends vote labour. We are all hoping that labour sort out the mess the tories created with Brexit!

Time to reset expectations I feel.

So you voted for Jeremy Corbyn? Twice?🤯

Who are you thing of giving your vote to this time?

We disagree, and no one has a crystal ball.

As Labour set the goal of 50% participation in HE it seems odd to suggest they would be the party to row it back, by whatever means. Only time will provide the answer.

I wasn’t actually living in this country then.

Apologies missed the second line of your post.
Like I say.
Ive got my piece of paper out.
Ill look at the facts and beyond.
Ill turn the paper over and see.

My dh is voting Labour.
Ill vote who comes out top when we hear some facts.

Im hoping that will happen before or at least at the head to heads.

I wasn’t pro austerity but had it not been done and we were then hit by the pandemic, and the need to spend loads and then huge inflation, surely we would have been even more screwed now? (Ignoring Brexit for one minute - that is of course the Tories doing, but the public voted for it!).
My view is very much shut up all the extremists in all parties at either end, get them out and we will all be fine. So don’t vote for any MP with extreme views.
Also remember a leader of a party can be out. That is what recent history shows us.

Ps.
However I am GC

Im not the one who questioned the brain drain.

However right now the brain drain is already happening and because of Tories. Who had 14 years at least half of them prosperous and who have NOTHING to show for them. They are the ones who brought Brexit. They are the ones who underinvested into all public services so everything is crashing down. And they are the ones who have the highest fiscal burden right now with- again - nothing to show for it. (im not even talking about Liz Truss, the PPE contracts and Boris lies).
I don’t actually begrudge paying 45% in taxes IF I can see the benefits- clean streets, functioning NHS, youths in youth services and not on the streets, etc etc. NOTHING of which I see right now. You have to spend money to generate money.

And I remember that it was different in Blair/Brown times.
It is a lie that Labour was at fault for 2008 financial crisis - it was a world event and actually the doing of private industry. Brexit and subsequent mess is however the sole doing of selfish Tory party.

Tories have displayed massive economic incompetency in post Brexit negotiations. I can’t believe anyone can buy their line they are pro-business and pro-economy- they know nothing about it and it became apparent in their post Brexit dealings

not looking forward to 50% or more tax under the labour, but this line about their economic incompetence and Tory competence is just total bullshit

Meh - I had all of those. Victim of crime, abusive childhood, homeless, in serious poverty. Now in the top 1% of households. I want for my children what I never had an I worked fucking hard to get there thank you. There is plenty of opportunity to change the course of your life in this country. It is whether you want to take it or not.

It is the Tory gift because the vote was put by a Tory party. They have responsibility not to entertain looney ideas and they failed as leaders.
the way Brexit was delivered (and constant mess and massive disadvantage to business) is solely the fault of the Tory party too.

Sorry thats BS.
until you actually have to work 80 hours weeks and have to pay 90% in taxes you can’t say you’ll happily pay it.

im in 45% bracket. Thats just about ok to incentivise me to earn more and not begrudge paying taxes (If i can see them being spent on society and not wasted by Tories). Maaaaaaybe 50%. Over 50% - no thanks, I rather have less stressful job, less hours and spend more time with my kids.
which means that instead of 45-50% of something the state will get 90% of NOTHING

I'm going to overlook the fact that this is highly unlikely and ask when you were homeless and suffered crime did no one help you? Or were you able to use your entrepreneurial spirit to fashion a house out of rubble? Were you able to use your genius to undo the imoact of crime on your own life and bring the criminak to justice withiut the help of tax funded police? What makes it more unlikely is that if you had experienced those things you would have more sympathy for people who have actually experienced these things and the effects it has on their lives and their chances of success.

I don’t care whether you think it’s unlikely. I grew up in a PP household. Was homeless at 16 and on my own - no social services then and the person who committed violence against me is in prison.

I went back to education in the evenings as I worked during the day. Sorry should I have thrown a pity party and given up? I chose not to.

I've just been reading about the spat we had with Iceland following the 2008 crash:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icesave_dispute

Poor Gordon;

Gordon Brown is at it again. It seems – for some mysterious reason – that every time he finds himself in trouble at home he attacks Iceland...

Once again, it seems, Brown was trying to save his own political skin by attributing all blame to Iceland... From abroad at least, it looks quite remarkable that such a small politician can be the leader of Great Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2009/may/14/gordon-brown-iceland-finance

Exactly @whistleblower99 if you really want it you can make it happen.
None of that comes easy and given the huge uphill battle you have had to deal with, that far surpasses most peoples lives, it shows In this country, it’s all possible !
👏👏👏

What's your point? I'm not a Labour voter, or a supporter of Blair or Starmer's economics. I only mentioned Labour's economic success immediately after WWII.

Absolutely agree.
what a stupid thing to do!
However Cameron decided to give the country the choice to stay or leave in a climate of growing Eurosceptisism from both MPs and the population.

Thats democracy.

Its worth noting,
It was Heath that took us into Europe ( cons )
Labour in 79 and 83 opposed it and wanted the UK to leave the EEC
In terms of Starmer, he is against rejoining Europe.
In terms of Sunak, he is against rejoining Europe.

It seems no one is prepared to bite the bullet on that one.

Notonthestairs
It is part of a long running treasury joke going back to the 1930s - I would have assumed [pp] knew that.

I don't think your link establishes it was a long running treasury joke going back to the 1930s at all.

Leaving the Treasury after Labour’s victory in the 1964 election, the outgoing Tory chancellor Reginald Maudling wrote a note for his replacement, Jim Callaghan, or possibly (accounts vary) spoke to him in person...

Not too difficult to find a reliable account;

I cite the autobiography of my noble friend Lord Callaghan of Cardiff. Writing about the first day that he was in office as Chancellor, he says:

"I was sitting at what had been Reggie Maudling's desk in the ground-floor study at 11 Downing Street. While I was reading the briefs which Treasury officials had prepared against the possibility of a Labour victory, he was in the upstairs flat with his wife, packing their belongings. On his way out, he put his head round the door, carrying a pile of suits over his arm. His comment was typical: 'Sorry, old cock, to leave it in this shape. I suggested to Alec this morning that perhaps we should put up the bank rate but he thought that he ought to leave it all to you."

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld199798/ldhansrd/vo970514/text/70514-02.htm

You told me to look at Iceland - I did - I thought the spat was interesting.

Ah, well I am pretty sure the Conservatives will be able to write a similar note soon.

They're gonna need a bigger note.