Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

But the Greens are totally in on this gender woo crap ( like Labour). They believe some women have penises. They believe it is ok for predatory men to be in women’s and children’s safe spaces. The Greens ruined Brighton. It’s a definite no for the greens from me.

My thoughts exactly! This post makes me laugh so much - good riddance to you all, the Tories have done so much to damage this country, if their supporters leave maybe we have a better chance of them not being relected in several years time. The cronyism and sleeze and backhanders and corruption makes me sick and I really question the judgement of those who try to defend them.

Second doesn't get you relegated. We won more games, scored more goals, beat you at home.

Liverpool were allowed to play wolves after the season had finished for everyone else, pipping the most forward thinking team in the UK to the title. If QPR had won, which they would have if not for a dodgy linesman at Norwich, they would have been playing in Europe, possibly keeping Liverpool from their European dominance and our clubs getting banned from European football.

13 million more, but a bigger GDP - where's the money going?

All those hideous tax payers keeping the hospital lights on. How dare they hope to keep a penny of their own from 80 hour weeks! 🙄

Yeah the deluded always called someone a bot when not going well or hearing some inconvenient truths.

I'm a 'hideous tax payer' (as a high earner I contribute quite a lot) and I willingly pay it over to support public services - what I am not happy about is paying it over so that it can be handed to fat cats (who already have more than enough) by way of fake contracts. This governemnt has wasted so much tax payer money - I don't begrudge paying it, I just want it spent fairly and honestly.

@BlueJamSandwich i was nodding along with your post till I got to the bit about QPR. Clearly you are deluded. 😆 Wolves ay we!

You are happy to pay 90% taxes? Aye Sue, you need to keep up love.

Yes, if I was earning enough to reach that bracket then I’d happily pay it (I said high earner but not that high!)

You do know the higher rates don’t apply to your whole income right?

And I am fully up to speed thanks 🤩

Giving millions to their mates and partying while people suffered and died alone was always going to be a vote loser.

So you lied. You are not a high earner at all.

Sue is a high earner that doesnt qualify for 90% tax. Seems pretty straightforward, especially as nobody is paying 90% and we still have the highest tax burden since WW2.

(90% also charged during the PMs MacMillan, Eden, Douglas Home and Heath).

Missing the point of the post there!
I was referring to nhs waiting lists.

On that completely different subject of yours, I agree. Not following the rules they set for the rest of the country was disgusting.

Deflating the subject in the interests of fairness, joining a war leading to the loss of lives by our armed forces hasn’t done Labour much good either. ( but has been conveniently forgot, not by their families though )
Im sure we could, if we tried, think of something for the other parities too.

However.
We should be looking forward at proposed policies and decide what we do and don’t agree with. When I say ‘we should’, of course how someone chooses to vote is entirely up to them.

Apologies for the derail OP

Exactly
That’s why we ended up with all the austerity measures after.
Thats why everything’s gone to pot.
Someone had to pull in the reins.

Glory hunter😊

It’s worth having a read of who actually voted for Brexit in this country.
The referendum was put forward by Cameron as he thought it would never go through and to shut up the Eurosceptic MPs.

Wiki has an excellent piece on who voted for it.
Not, you will see, typical Conservative voters at all.

So not, ‘the Tory gift that keeps on giving’. Everyone had a vote and the vast majority of Leave votes were not Conservative, by a long way. Labour voters believing spin with no facts to back them up I think you’ll find. Ooo, the irony.

( I’ve posted the first page only as there’s a lot, but it’s worth reading it all )

Of course the Greens are gender woo and more but they are popular with students, what can I say?! I don’t discuss certain things with my DC anymore. Have you seen the student pro Palestine protests? Students are more passionate about that and the environment, they don’t pay tax yet so don’t care too much about high taxation/high spending and I think re NHS they care mainly about mental health. Obviously they really care about student debt though and job prospects. And I have pointed out to them that Plan 5 kind of means they really need to care about taxation as they will be paying 9 per cent extra tax very quickly already! And that for 40 years potentially.

Interestingly though my 15 year old is quite gender critical so lower down they seem to have different views.

Except, that's not true. Nobody "had to" rein in anything, it was an ideological choice, austerity was always going to fail, even without Brexit. Plenty of economists outside of the Tory "think tanks" and International financial institutions were suggesting almost the opposite approach.

Those countries that followed the austerity approach fared worse than those that followed a broadly Keynesian approach.

That's what happens when you follow ideology over evidence. We used the crisis to attack protections by the state; welfare, healthcare, public services, local council funding because of ideology.

I wouldn’t say earning more is a privilege denied to many.
Everyone has an opportunity to earn more. From the very first realisation that exams bring opportunities in our teenage years.
Choice of career, the choice to work hard at school and after are available to everyone in this country.
Many small businesses grow from nothing but hard work, determination and inspiration.

Tell me you're a Thatcherite without telling me you're a Thatcherite.

Have you any evidence for these claims? The last time I checked it said that every critical measure of low social mobility—child poverty, income inequality, access to stable housing, unemployment for young people and gaps in school attainment—was poor and getting worse.

It isn't all choice though, is it? If you're born into poverty, or experience disruption to your safety in childhood, or are ill, or are the victim of crime, or even are actually from a relatively comfortable start but have few options for education or work because of the region you live in, you can't just choose your way our of.your situation. Not everyone has the same start in life as you.

You mention Brexit, but fail to mention that austerity is an EU policy;

After the 2008 financial crisis, the EU introduced stricter fiscal rules that define limits to government borrowing and spending, in an attempt to reduce the levels of government debt. This included a reinforcement of the rules to bring government deficits under 3% of GDP and debt-to-GDP levels under 60%. EU member states attempted to follow these rules through cuts to public spending and cancelling planned public investment.

https://neweconomics.org/2022/11/austerity-policies-have-made-european-citizens-3000-a-year-worse-off

Curb your spending, Brussels tells Gordon Brown
March 16 2010

Gordon Brown was dealt an embarrassing blow when Brussels gave warning that Britain must do more to curb its spiralling debt.

The European Commission wants Labour to outline further spending cuts and spell out where the axe will fall.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/curb-your-spending-brussels-tells-gordon-brown-3rkmql67hxs

Brussels, 23 April 2024 – The European Parliament has voted in favour of new debt reduction rules, which will force many EU governments to take austerity measures and limit their ability to borrow to finance essential climate, environmental and social policies.

https://www.greenpeace.org/eu-unit/issues/climate-energy/47071/austerity-is-back-to-wreck-the-green-transition-as-meps-endorse-new-debt-rules/

No I didn't, did you miss the bit about International Financial institutions? I mentioned Brexit and excluded it from the analysis.

Compare those countries that didn't follow austerity at the time USA, Iceland etc with those that did.

Ah, Austerity. Not a plan for growth. Not a plan at all and failure to plan is planning to fail. That's why our NHS was unable to cope with the pandemic in 2020 and is still fucked as @Kandalama pointed out upthread.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/04/01/what-have-fourteen-years-of-conservative-rule-done-to-britain