Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

No time that Labour have been fiscally competent? Did you miss the 1945-51 Labour government, the one that rebuilt the economy, introduced the welfare state, built social housing etc against a deficit we've not seen the likes of until this government.

That was done by loosening monetary policy, not with austerity economics.

"It's fair to say that GDP was generally better under Labour"

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-qa-which-party-has-a-better-track-record-on-the-economy

I believe (though I’m too lazy to google) that the Blair governments presided over the longest period of continuous economic growth in British history.

Boom and bust

It went up but then we had to weather the crash

So it’s strange then the country was left penniless….

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/liam-byrne-apology-letter-there-is-no-money-labour-general-election

"Labour... has only overseen 7 quarters of recession in the past 100 years compared to 17 under the Conservatives.

If we discount the global financial crisis of 2007-09, Labour’s (slight) superiority becomes more pronounced."

https://theconversation.com/labour-are-much-better-at-running-the-economy-than-voters-think-new-research-162368

Do you actually expect people to believe this rubbish?

@EasternStandard I said Blair governments.

@Polishedshoesalways the Crash would’ve happened with the Tories in too. It was global. The boom and bust Under Labour trope is just not true.

Errrr not true Labour had overspent, so when the financial crisis hit we were very exposed, Labour have been very honest about their mistakes in the past, I wonder why you find it so unpalatable?

Labour cost this country billions of pounds, when Brown undersold half of our gold reserves. That is a long lasting ongoing legacy people seem to gloss over / ignore.

https://www.bullionbypost.co.uk/gold-news/2019/may/07/worst-deal-uk-history-20-years-brown-sold-britains-gold/

@EasternStandard which all sources suggest Darling was tackling successfully. Then came Osborne with his small state obsession and austerity. We had 5 out of 10 of our libraries shut and numerous Surestarts too. Did you ?

We are supposed to gloss over that

This rather gets skated over -

Rishi Sunak has been accused of losing taxpayers £11billion of taxpayers' money failing to insure the UK's debt mountain against interest rate hikes.
A respected think-tank has highlighted the massive costs of not taking out protection on nearly £900billion of funds 'printed' by the Bank of England to boost the economy.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10903181/amp/Rishi-Sunak-lost-UK-11BILLION-failing-insure-huge-debt-stocks.html

@Itwasabrightcoldayinapril how much has Brexit cost ? The Tory gift that keeps giving.

The boom and bust Under Labour trope is just not true.

It is true to say Labour were in when the book and bust happened

What we get next we’ll see, but I doubt we’re looking at a boom

Here anyway, the US benefits from a more insular economy

I remember it well. No food banks, free education from cradle to grave, low rents, everyone had a dentist, GPs did home visits, QPR were the best team in England.

The winter of discontent came after 10 years of unrest, under both Tory & Labour governments. I don't remember doctors, nurses, 999 call handlers, paramedics etc striking then.

These threads just end up like ping pong.

Why aren’t we looking at boom @EasternStandard ? And were you affected by austerity ?

You can't leave a currency printing country penniless. See 1945-51 for an obvious rebuttal of "austerity economics".

I think the Eurozone as a whole will struggle to see a boom. But who knows, things change and other factors such as Russia have impacts

Eg Germany is hit harder than US due to energy supply, but that effect could change

Also boom in 90s was very much a credit bubble and high risk exposure - eg the debt stuff. That may have changed

Well one easy to correct inaccuracy regards QPR. We all know LFC were the best team in England. In fact, I believe QPR were relegated that season.

The uk population was 56 million. Today it is 68million. This latter figure includes 10.3 million registered immigrants.

Approx 400,000 leave the UK each year.

All in all incomparable to services provided in the late ‘70’s.

8.3 billion it cost. Not quite the 100s of billions lost to Brexit, Truss, Rwanda etc. It's also a tenth of the £85 billion in corporate welfare we give away every year.

You say that as if it’s fact. A bit like your QPR clanger.

It cost a lot at the time and it’s cost a lot more ever since. It won’t stop costing us.

Labour will win, the question is with how much of a majority. Lots of people in my demographic are voting Lib Dem to balance out too much of a majority where the lefty loony policies may come in. Starmer himself is a centrist. Nobody is scared of Starmer - people are more worried about what he may be forced into if there is too much of a Labour majority. Bit like what happened under the Tories.

My older DC and their mates are voting Green.

The only people I know voting Tory are working class anti immigrant types and old posh types who are scared of a pre Blairite type Labour.

What about the silent majority that are not responding to poll questions and are keeping their counsel.

You clearly haven’t factored them in at all.