Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

Late to the party but this, this one quote is basically the reason I’d vote Labour a million times over. From someone who’d leave to avoid the tax because they’re in “the top 0.1%”

“We'd keep a little flat here”

D’you know what? These are the arseholes I’d go to Heathrow to wave off.

the tone deaf, unflinchingly awfulness of this kind of post makes me utterly, uttterly despair.

Increasing medical students without addressing the training bottleneck has actually just resulted in more doctors who can’t get jobs and leave.

I am not a doctor, I am a nurse but reforming the career track so that it doesn’t involve moving up and down the UK every 6 months to 3 years and having more training places, especially at ST3-7/8 and introducing / changing training so doctors apply to train as an anaesthetist for example after FY2 or CF then they train as an anaesthetist, not 2 or 3 years then reapplying potentially having a gap, then doing another few years training that could be in a different UK nation.

A restorative payrise for all doctors would also help. Restorative is at least 30% whether society wants to accept this or not.

A clearer definition of doctors roles instead of churning out all these roles supposed to be a half doctor or a doctor on the cheap.

Making accelerated medical degrees for graduates much more accessible so that people don’t end up in roles that are muddying the waters.

Funding all nhs roles better, so that doctors (and everyone else) aren’t having to do a bit of everyone’s job.

These are a few things I know would be likely to help, and as I say I am not a doctor who I’m sure can add many more to this list.

"Increasing medical students without addressing the training bottleneck has actually just resulted in more doctors who can’t get jobs and leave. "

Yup.

The engineering side of it will probably be replaced by AI too, if not entirely then largely as many things will be.

I don't like pissing on anyone's parade, but the engineering side of life depends largely on burly blokes with big tools who know exactly where and how to tackle a complex misbehaving machine. Trust me, my DH works on nuclear submarines with 80 strong crews that dont see daylight for months at a time. If they were to fail to get it right, people would die.

So no, I do not see AI replacing either the muscle or the conscience. The world is still PHYSICAL. You can't change that reality.

Good luck to them then. Apparently it's almost impossible to get a GP in some parts of Canada. My friend's daughter has just been over and she has been raving about the quality of the food in the UK compared to Canada.

But it’s nothing to do with who is going to win GE. Tbh it’s most often about the weather.

I don't know any. However, from everything I've read on MN, it would be good if some people do emigrate rather than overburdening state schools with their children when they can no longer afford private school fees.

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But sometimes, they have new ideas. Sometimes, very occasionally, they get big.

Resenting someone who has a better idea than yours is a hiding to extinction. Every business requires both thinkers and doers. The thinker gets paid better than the doer. Lots of people can be told what to do. Intelligence is not equally distributed.

Referencing another thread, about selective education and paying prep school fees. You may dislike me pointing out that it is primarily highly intelligent parents in well paid occupations who think that private education and schools are worth paying for. If they were not intelligent enough to earn enough to pay the fees, then their kids would be in the top sets of the underperforming comp and getting the social points. Intelligence is largely an inherited quality.

They do the same here in the states. Yet, no one leaves. sigh

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whats so utterly awful about that? Except your jealousy? Please explain, I genuinely don’t understand

At least they pay enough taxes to actually cover their keep in state schools 🙄
unlike half of the population
if anything, they deserve place in state school more than someone else

I didn't think I had illusions left for shattering. The sheer nastiness being shown here is strengthening my desire to leave the country by the minute. And yes, I can find other countries to live in, even in Europe.

That's never happened anywhere though has it, not on an International level? We've seen it here Nationally, where high earners left cities to live in the countryside post covid, but we've never seen a mass exodus abroad because of taxation.

As for "paying in more than they take out", the income of the top 1% is greater than the bottom 55%, they should pay more tax.

We're also a currency issuing country, so spending on resources to the economy and education, healthcare and infrastructure don't really need to be funded by revenue. E.g. every £1 spent on education is estimated to result in a £3 boost the the economy.

Oh this!

Yes.

Whether it’s ever happened is irrelevant, never say never, …..look at Brexit😳😳😳 who’d have thought this country would think that was a good idea.

Did I say anything about the fareness of the tax system.
No.

If the countries finances were so simple we wouldn’t have a problem.

The country relies on net providers to pay into the system…….less net providers = less money to spend.

It’s a big problem here. Divide and rule governing.

There are many countries that don’t have these sort of issues.

@DodoTired
Presumably @BitOutOfPractice means that people who say they will leave the UK to avoid any extra/higher taxation, but will "keep a little flat here", would be actively contrbuting to the housing crisis by owning a flat in the UK which would be empty most of the time? 🤷‍♀️

Agree that is a disgusting post!

You seem to think these net providers are the sole and only source of this wealth as if it springs directly from the cracks of their arses, do you not think that if they were to leave, there's be plenty of others to take their places and happily pay their share to live in a decent, safe and fairer society? There's nothing special about net providers, as shocking as it may come to some. They are usually in highly competitive roles meaning there are many people competing for the same.
The roles that are harder to fill are actually the key workers low skilled, you know, the ones where you have to pull a finger put and font get allowed to stay at home should there be a global pandemic. Just because they aren't paid large sums of money doesn't mean they don't contribute to society. Do you think the only contribution people make is pure money? I would say that there's plenty mkre ways to contribute, such as actually providing services that benefit society like teachers and health care workers, even the people who remove your bins contribute more of value than some top earners. What's the use of sitting on a pile of money if no one will remove your waste?

I agree that’s probably what they are eluding to. However

Rather than make this hateful post why not ask the PP if they intend to let their kids live in it or rent it!
Or ask why they need it at the very least. But no. Pile on with a horrible remark.
Mumsnet is about discussion!

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such blatant discrimination on this thread

No of course not and tbh this is often mentioned as a but…..
Of course
Many lower earners help run this country and we couldn't cope without them.
I’m thinking home carers for example. Without them their relatives quality of life would be severely diminished but their carers wage is a pittance.
Thats just one example.

Im fully aware a country runs on more than money.
But that doesn’t mean that our country can survive on less.