Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

[groyard]

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

These people have made the country worse with sewage in the rivers, miserable education, failing healthcare. Under labour last time everyone had a better life. Labour had a sensible plan to sort out after the 2008 ,crises whereas George Osborne meant that the country never recovered

I joined what was the LPYS (Labour Party Young Socialists) in 1981 so I was there for Kinnock's purge of the left. I was in Coventry when Dave Nellist, a similarly popular constituency MP to Corbyn, was expelled from the Labour Party and stood as an independent. He came close but ultimately lost to the Labour candidate.

My fear is that if Starmer wins and fails to deliver, and he will fail if he sticks to his commitments to Tory spending plans, it will be the last Labour government in my lifetime and the damage done by neoliberalism will be irreversible.

Excuse me, people working in public services, education, utilities and NHS have done this.
Finance, IT and tech have nothing to do with it.

The only people picking up the tax burden you speak of are the higher tax payers and big business
Those that give back in taxes and ni payments more than they take out.
Which is A very small number of people in this country.
The vast majority are not net providers.

LOL. How much exactly do you pay? Majority of UK earners take out more than they contribute. Except these terrible and despicable high earners

I know quite a few who left due to Brexit but don’t know anyone thinking of leaving with a Labour win…and both mine and my partner’s families are Tory supporters (one of my family members reckons Rees-Mogg should be PM 🫣). I’d seriously not worry about it. Considering the socio-economic fallout from the Johnson and Truss governments…Labour will hilariously be a return to relatively more boring Treasury politics.

The vast majority are the people who are actually making the things and providing the services that generates the money the "net providers" (sometimes) give back in taxes. Or squirrel away in tax havens.

I'm a higher rate tax payer.

Was thinking Green for me this year, but I may vote Labour for the first time ever if that woman can keep her promise. 😆

I’m not against an increase in taxation. In Scotland we pay slightly more income tax anyway.

One of my parents is a very recently retired six figure earner who worked in the financial sector. An additional rate taxpayer. They are managing to vote Labour with zero negative concerns for the economy and (I just asked, hence why I’m a bit delayed responding) isn’t particularly concerned that so many people are going to emigrate from the financial sector that we would suffer financial collapse. They are also a private landlord. Clearly, a couple of people in finance emigrating if Labour get in doesn’t mean the sector in it’s entirety will disappear.

You did remind me that most of society aren’t net contributors in terms of taxation, in 2022 53.8% were not net contributors. I tend to find the people who shout the loudest about taxation and its increases are not net contributors to society anyway. Higher levels of taxation for a much higher quality public service provision and a more equal society is one of my core beliefs.

I don’t think it is the properly rich who need to leave because they still have a good income, beautiful houses and great private schools and a big network of other rich people to easily connect with. Wealth is not taxed properly here anyway.

The people leaving are those who earn a lot (up to 150k-200k as a family) but despite that cannot buy a nice house or send their DCs to a good school in a safe place close to work and have some quality time with family because their jobs are so stressful and they pay a huge amount of tax. And despite that because they don’t have family help or connections etc they don’t feel well off and their quality of life is less than they would have in many other richer countries. So they are leaving. And yes that demographic tends to be doctor couples, tech, lawyers, engineers and they are taking their 2-3 children with them.

I've lived and worked under a labour govt - life had never been so good! I would happily emigrate if the Tories get in again but it's not as simple as that.

I already fear that the last time I ever lived under a Labour government was in the past and that wasn’t even a socialist Labour government. I do not like starmer but I hate society in its current form even more. I feel moderate tories will have more politically in common with starmer than I do, the Overton window is well and truly to the right.

Some will. The vast majority aren't going anywhere. Canary Wharf isn't relocating. Most of the world isn't set up for greed to prosper so well.

These are the cold hard facts.
Whether people like them or not.

@Polishedshoesalways

"I live in a beautiful village without a scrap of litter anywhere. I did actually secure a same day appointment with my GP 2 weeks ago and my dentist is awesome. Where the hell do you live? It sounds awful."

Sounds like you don't get out of your village much. Try living in a city to earn your money so you can pay the ever increasing tax burden.

The majority of the (medical) consultants in my workplace have made it clear they will not be voting conservative.

Most doctors (I work with many) who leave to go to Australia are not consultants, they earn nowhere near the amount you describe and leave because of poor pay, even poorer working conditions, a long and convaluted training programme, lack of career stability and being unable to buy a house because of low pay and because they have to move around so much. I’ve never heard of any leaving due to the amount of tax they pay.

Whilst the NHS is short of consultant posts, the lack of doctors in post is due to a training bottleneck, all of which has developed or worsened over the last 14 years.

no one said some high earners don’t rely on their employees to make their vast wealth but thats all irrelevant in pure financial terms because

The point is
If those who pay in more than they take out bugger off to another country that leaves those who benefit from those taxes and ni payments with a smaller purse to spread around.

Skilled workers including high rate tax payers will always move abroad, under the conservatives it’s been nurses, midwives, teachers, AHPs, doctors, police officers to name but a few. In terms of nurses these numbers despite international recruitment and newly qualified nurses have not been replaced, let alone the skills gap.

If under a centrist Labour it’s the turn of predominantly private sector workers to emigrate and if there’s no one left in the UK to fill these competitive industry to the point that the public sector has to pay more tax then that sounds like an ok trade off for a while to me. Certainly not a reason to worry about Labour getting

Yeah the training bottleneck is ridiculous. I JUST DON’T GET IT.
14 years would be enough to put provision in place to increase university places etc. its just nuts that nothing has been done. (Thanks Tories!)

Couldn't agree more. You'd have to be an utter moron to want the current government to continue.

A clinical fellow role (earning circa 36k a year) which is aimed at post FY2 doctors in my workplace had 5,367 applicants for 7 posts. They had doctors who had completed 3 years of core training and all sorts of very experienced doctors applying for it. Most I know that go to Australia go after FY2 or clinical fellow years as they can’t get jobs, I’m sure they’d all rather pay more tax for a secure and rewarding job with career track to consultant. I’m quite interested to hear of all these doctors the PP allegedly know who left for reasons not caused or exacerbated by the conservative government and who have stated they will emigrate if Labour get in.

Think we all knew you were going to say that
So
👏👏

I do know some Universities have increased Medicine numbers, Exeter for example, but only recently
So yes agree, this could have been implemented a long time ago.