Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

People always say this when they have absolutely no idea how hard it really is to emigrate - not talking a short overseas sabbatical - and even more difficult for UK people now with Brexit.

Even with in-demand skills you are competing with all the top people from other countries too, getting a job also doesn't guarantee you meet the country's visa requirements. Many countries offer short term visas which have no guarantee of being granted after the initial year or two.

Also the days of big, fat relocation budgets is mostly gone so it can be an incredibly expensive option to pursue. Especially if you have to relocate children and get them into new school systems etc

And unless you are in an extremely niche field you'll need good language skills to compete with other candidates in non-English speaking countries. And the English speaking ones are highly oversubscribed with would be immigrants.

Then you take into account the politics of your potential new country - are you going to country hop every time a left-wing party comes into power. Or you might be more right wing and not like the current Labour party but does that mean you want to live under Trump or someone worse.

Yes of course 🥳
because we would all love to give everything to complete strangers rather than our kids 🤪

I love my kids
Ill give it to them, not strangers.

We all have our own priorities I suppose

If all the raging tories that can’t bear to be under a Labour government emigrate, the country would be a much nicer place. So here’s hoping!

They are all populist policies which is why the UK will keep making mistakes - they can’t think logically. The private school fees is a good one. No children in private school so I don’t care from that angle. However it won’t impact the generational rich - it will impact those on PAYE - who are already paying huge tax bills. Little things like that will add up. For example the lowering of the higher tax rate threshold by the Tories and them continuing to remove personal allowance and childcare hours. That equals 70-100+ % marginal tax. All of these populist policies from both parties are and will harm productivity.

There is a small minority of workers on PAYE funding everyone else - whilst the majority feel entitled to more and more. It’s not a surprise that people are gullible enough to fall for it from both sides.

No. Colleagues professional and more likely to stay if labour get in.

As a teacher I know an awful lot who left under the Tories. Nobody I know had said they will leave if Labour get elected but I think a lot of teachers would leave if the Tories did.

honestly thread like this just make me think the only pathetic PR the Tories can muster is to clamour about bad stuff that will happen if Labour is elected. I guess that’s because they don’t want to talk about the abominations that have happened under their leadership and would only get worse if they were elected again.

😂

Lol if the Tories win again, I will leave this country.

There are definitely one or two posts on here that have made me think ‘Yeah, yeah Tory PR’. Accusing people of making stuff up whilst weaving lies that suggest how the world will collapse should Labour succeed. I imagine there is a lot of it about prior to an election, from all parties.

Surely this is just people you know

Of course different groups will think about leaving depending on policies

@whistleblower99 Ok, if that's your point (you seemed to be implying that Labour was more populist than Conservative) then I agree. Our voting system is archaic and just promotes short-termism and desperation among the ruling parties who are only looking to the next election. If we can't reform it soon, I agree that it all seems pretty hopeless.
We need some moral fibre from both politics and the media to accept that, although they revel in all this feeding frenzy of elections, it doesn't benefit anyone to continue to function in this way.

100% agree.

Overstressed and battered pretty much sums it up. The step up to 2 kids was logistically tough (and realising DH job in corporate law was never going to have family friendly hours). I realised I was always going to be pulled in too many directions especially if I wanted to be a partner and improve systems, reduce health inequalities, advocate for my patients in a deprived area.
I’m moving into public health so hopefully can still make things better, but without the inevitable burnout, longer term projects do no more being late for nursery / after school pick up. My Mum was a GP in the same area and I feel I was slow to cotton on how much worse things have got.

If things were that good abroad they would have left. But they can go. Somethingsvwill/may be better, other things different.

Let's hope all the Tories emigrate to the delightful country Rwanda

The reason we have policies in place to avoid transferring 100% of wealth onto the next generation is that eventually, some people would have no reason to work at all.

People forget what money actually is. Money is value transferred by people doing things. Money is only worth what you can buy with it. It no one is willing to make something or do something in exchange for money, there is no money. A very basic concept that few people seem able to grasp.

Haha. Yeah because the great antiestablishment figure SIR Keir Starmer the barrister who sounds like he’d be far better suited to the Lib Dems is just itching to fulfill the works of Karl Marx.

Many people have already left because of Brexit.

Don’t worry.
I have a full grasp of the concept.

However that’s no reason to leave such a large % to the state.

Family first.

How much exactly do you contribute ? Somehow it’s always those who don’t contribute enough “can’t imagine it”, not the ones who actually contribute many times over

Thankfully there are laws to prevent transferring all wealth between generations because eventually society would just be people just sitting in inherited houses with the roofs falling in because no one was willing to fix them!

Oh please. Many of them have relocated several times in their careers.

Nobody worth keeping in the UK.

The UK is already experiencing a serious brain drain. We are staffing the Australian health service.

Hence, the move…..
Obviously!