Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

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This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

What sky high taxes? At least wait to see. Predicting the worst on the basis of Tory rumour is intellectually shoddy at best

I think services will improve but we can only wait and see. The jury is out

A large majority of population favour rejoining the EU but Labour have said this is not happening in the next government

It is under the Tories that prosecutions for rape and DV have virtually ceased. It is mostly Tory MPs in trouble for watching porn on the floor of Parliament and for sexual harassment. It is the Tories cutting benefits and council services for women. Just who is making a bonfire of women’s rights?

It is Tories who are threatening capital flight

Debt must be measured against gains to society, increases in GDP and tax revenues, etc. It is complicated. Modern economists do not think that debt per se is the problem, to a common sense limit; the issue is how it is serviced.

We have had the worst, most stubborn recessions in the G7 under the Tories these last few years. It would be difficult for Labour to do worse.

We have a non existent immigration policy now. It’s all hot air, with record inward immigration announced only the other day

This ‘far left’ stuff is completely unevidenced scare tactics. Show us your sources if they exist

Getting ahead of yourself on the loss of confidence, housing market crash and fiscal incompetence also. The current Labour leadership has no record! All judgments about our shit economy are deservedly harsh, but they work against the Tories snd their 14 years in government.

I enjoy a reasoned debate, but the key element is missing here

It's a bit rash for any Tory supporters to say "Total fiscal incompetence as their record already proves."

Liz the Lettuce is not yet forgotten.

It's so heart-warming to read about all these high earners - good to know someone's being doing well out of the Tories while the rest of us struggle to put food on the table - who now there's the slightest sniff of having to pay a bit more tax to support those who aren't doing as well as them, are planning to fuck off to Dubai or some other soulless tax haven where poor people are treated like the serfs they are.

We won't notice you're gone, or care.

I'm considering it. Not because of tax but because the idea of David Lammy as Foreign Secretary fills me with apprehension. We're living in a volatile time and I don't believe this country will become safer.

Where are they getting this fiscal competence from? They've demonstrated precisely zero of it over the last 14 years.
Every single immigration target the Tories have had has been breached by millions.
They are a (bad) joke, just like your ridiculous claims about what Labour would do.

When you say "getting nothing back"...they are entitled to the same services as everyone else for the tax that they pay. They live in a relatively secure part of the world (as much as anywhere could be) and they've presumably lived under the same Tory government that we all have for 14 years so it they're fed up - surely that is the responsibility of the current administration?

I'm not doubting for a moment that you know a lot of high earners but that isn't indicative of the opinion of all high earners. Presumably something is keeping them in this country?

I agree, I don't think that it's fair at all to assume that all high earners were born into privilege. That being said, I still don't buy into this narrative that always springs up when there is a hint of a Labour government that all high earners will be waiting at the airport. I especially don't think that Starmer is someone who is going to do anything radical to cause the rich to depart the country.

God the Tory trolls really are out in force, aren't they?

They're not going to win so they're just wasting their time.

Hypothetically if stats were to show that 600k in the top 10 per cent earning bracket leave every year and 800k arrive in a much lower earning bracket then even a donkey would conclude there may be an issue? And why make it partisan?

I haven’t looked at the stats.

Correct.

I'm almost 66 and have heard both the "The most able will leave if Labour get in" and "Labour are no good with the economy" at every election I can remember - driven by the Tory press.

The truth is that the Tories have - and come on, EVERYONE knows this - shovelled quite astonishing amounts of cash at their mates. Their record during Covid alone was shocking in this respect.

The last Labour government gave us a very good return indeed for our taxes - look simply at school and NHS funding, for example.

The scaremongering would be funny if it wasn't an attempt to return the most venal, self-serving, unethical, incompetent and uncaring bunch of Tories I've ever witnessed.

With what evidence? I've been hearing this for years but they've just proven themselves to be incompetent and untrustworthy. It's time for a change.

I hope so. Might give the country a fighting chance.

Turkeys literally voting for Christmas on here.

If the Tories remain in power, we'll have little in the way of public services in 5 years, that's for sure.

It's just about slinging as much shit as they can, and hoping some people will be gullible enough to believe them.

It does feel like a targeted campaign on here today, sure there must be some rules around that?

I think there are people who genuinely believe that they're going to wake up to a different world on 5th July.

Definitely time for a change, that's for sure.

I genuinely fear they might. I truly think it’s risky to assume Labour will win. Look at what happened with Corbyn and Johnson. So many truly assumed Labour would walk and Johnson took it. Boris Fucking Johnson.
I don’t think we can safely assume the Tories won’t get in again.

Unfortunately, no-one is expecting anything like that after 14 years of Tory government. It could take longer than they've been in power to sort out the mess they've left us in.

Oh, but you will. That's the problem. If enough of them go, then you most definitely, definitely will. As I've already said, they are the ones who pay for all the stuff. Removing several hundred thousand high earning net contributors from the system doesn't suddenly catapult people in menial jobs into better ones. It just puts more of a hole in the finances and shifts the tax burden on the people who are left. And increasingly, we have a country more and more full of low earners who, as hard as they might work, are net beneficiaries only.

*God some people on this site are nuts.

If you'd prefer to live in a glorified shopping mall of a country where the sports facilities are built by slaves and women are being tortured in prison for wanting to drive, just so you can hold on to slightly more of your massively salary, go for it.*

This. Good riddance. Can't think of anywhere i'd like to go less than the emirates/middle east.

(High earner, happy to pay in bit more, will be voting labour, no plan whatsoever to emigrate :)

"I think there are people who genuinely believe that they're going to wake up to a different world on 5th July."

This is nonsense. We can see the state that public services are in and know that it will take years to repair the damage caused by austerity.

I won't miss hearing from Braverman, Truss and Mogg though (although I'm sure they'll do a roaring trade flogging opinion pieces in the Telegraph).

Does anyone on here genuinely believe things are going to improve? Hand on heart.

Removing several hundred thousand high earning net contributors from the system doesn't suddenly catapult people in menial jobs into better ones.
They honestly won't go

I just chatted to co-workers in the US today. They were bemoaning their health service and how they pay taxes & get nothing for it

Nobody informed thought Labour would walk it in 2019, it was very obvious from the polls and the respective popularity of the two party leaders that Labour would lose.

2024 is very different.

If the Tory party were genuinely worried about high earners leaving they wouldn't have sponsored Brexit - it's certainly done so damage to the City.