Do you know people who will emigrate if labour win?

[groyard]

This is making me all very stressed. Trying not to freak myself out over future socio-economic ramifications for the UK if there is a wider trend of “brain drain”.

Brother and BIL have both said that if Labour win they will be emigrating with their wives and children.

I’ve heard similar sentiment from others but assume (hope) this is hyperbole.

Just to say, none of the people mentioned are wealthy but just about comfortable. Both highly skilled and in demand internationally.

So many people going to leave allegedly because labour will remove the private school fees VAT exemption! That's a WILD claim. Are schools amazing abroad?

Where do they think they're going to go? 😂What languages do they speak? Do they think they're just going to show up somewhere sunny and immediately be ushered into a comfortable job with similar T & Cs to their current roles and carry on as before except without Keir Starmer? Presumably they know that they also won't get to vote on what government is in power in their new country of choice. Are they planning to emigrate again every time a left wing govt gets in?

Please ask them to keep a blog of what it's like emigrating just because the vote didn't go your way, as someone who has lived abroad in the past I'd love to see how someone who can't cope with a change of government copes with a complete change of culture, language and lifestyle.

Greed Bleed?

That’s been happening too. The UK has the third highest rate of millionaires emigrating in the world, and they are indeed taking businesses and investment with them. It isn’t as simple as ‘oh well, someone else will take their place!’ if people can’t afford to invest in a sector, gain the necessary skills, and/or consider the pay off to be worth the amount of work required . Those that do will also be the ones that are will be lured abroad by countries offering better wages, tax policies, and quality of life.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-on-saving-the-london-stock-exchange-capital-flight-xr3mc9zpl

You don’t have to like those leaving in order to recognise that this is a problem. Like it or not they’re fine and are going to continue to be fine, it’s those yelling ‘good riddance’ that are going to be impacted by this.

I think the private schools VAT thing is a massive misstep and I'm totally against it. I also dislike the current Labour party more than I ever have. But I'm still voting Labour because it's still better than another 5 years of the current shambles.

Where they have been going to, presumably. Again, this isn’t something that people are merely claiming is going to happen, it’s actively happening:

https://www.wealthyexpat.com/blog/why-are-millionaires-leaving-the-uk

Which is why I suspect that Keir Starmer is going to be much more pro-business than many are hoping.

No, but I have considered moving because of the Tories/Brexit. I have dual nationality so I could move. I have been hanging out for Labour. We are on a v high income and will personally be worse off but the country as a whole will be better off, at the moment it has been raped and pillaged by the Tories and needs taxes to go up to repair the damage. I think they should tax those who can afford it, plus corporations and other tax dodging wankers.

I know several Antipodeans who have been here 20+ years and who have accelerated plans to return down under; instead of working here another decade before retiring back there. They are not super rich but are City earners who pay a full whack of income tax at present, but don't relish the prospect of a wealth tax on homes/ pension funds when they are not all that far from retirement.

5% of the UK population are millionaires and I'm willing to bet a hefty chunk of those are retired. Teachers, doctors, nurses etc. are not millionaires and they are the ones that will be missed a lot more than a banker or a stockbroker.

@groyard
Hi Daily Fail
Not this old nonsense of people who aren't even wealthy threatening to leave if Labour are elected.
How many times over the decades have we heard this? Every election!
I suspect more people would leave if the Tories were to get in. Especially young people who can't afford to buy or rent their own home even though they have good jobs. Their pay hasn't kept up with inflation (eg in the NHS) and house prices have rocketed in the last 2 decades.

People who think that any day now they'll get their lucky break and suddenly be billionaires, despite not having done anything of note.

I know people who will go if labour don’t win having had enough of the last 14 years and heard of others who will come back if they do. Not heard of anybody threatening to leave if labour get in, quite the reverse. Mild excitement everywhere that we could be seeing the back of the Tories. 🤞

I don't think the issue is Labour getting in. I think most people have had enough of the Conservatives. The problem is where we go now as a country - we need a government who is capable and professional. As a country we are in so much debt it makes me worry about the future without the other huge issues that the world faces. I have lived through both Labour and Conservative governments and both were pretty similar until Brexit. I think if Keir Starmer is competent and measured then I don't think there will be an issue. In terms of where people go to then it really depends but if you are young and well qualified or old and wealthy then you have lots of options.

I bet you a fiver they go no where OP. People always come out with this stuff but very rarely follow through with it.

The rest of us have had to suffer through years of Tory “leadership”, now it’s someone else is turn. Hopefully.

Hahahahahaha. Well Brexit fucked that little plan, didn’t it?

Where is a highly trained Dr or scientist going to possibly find work hmm. The skill shortage is global if you have not got any issues with your work record you are almost gaurenteed work, in usa Canada Australia new zealand Ireland, all scdanavian countries ( if you work in tech and move to Denmark they will put you on a 30 % tax bracket and Governance full acess to public services for 7 years. We are still here as we love our country but it has become unbearably over the past 5 years and the decline started under labour. This is not lies or emotion the leaver statistics are insane. Mostly on the middle class guys it's not super rich leaving its your gp nurse or dentist. Nurses especially bloody hell the money the could make, makes me feel ashamed. We need to pay towards healthcare if able and make sure people who can't are taken care of. We cannot have a large growth in those who don't contribute which I what is happening. Its capital flight wealth flight brain drain kill skills loss all at the same time. If nothing is done about tax or tax is increased we are gaurenteed another outflow increase. And for people saying they are replaceable you obviously don't understand the amount if training or experience required to be an eye doctor. Do you think a brain surgeon will have difficult emigrating. If you want to have a but of a wake up look at the areas of medicine we are suffering the most loss. This is serious. Noine is talking about it.

op hasn’t explained WHY they think they’ll have to leave the country when Labour get in though, despite being asked.

Brilliant 👏 👏 👏

🤣 yes, this

Oh yes because the world stops at the Euro boarder 🙄. FFS are there people that are seriously this dim 🤷🏼‍♀️

@Wasityoubecayse have you not noticed they are alreadyleaving in droves because of Toru polices. 2 practices near us have closed because so many of their GPs have emigrated

👋 farewell they won’t be missed!

No, but then again DH and I are lowly teachers.

DH is Irish so our kids have dual citizenship. I won’t be so forthright in pushing them to leave the UK when they’re old enough if Labour are in power.

The problem isn’t merely that they’re leaving, it’s that they’re not being replaced. The UK, whichever government it has, needs to attract wealth rather than chase it away. Like it or not, the UK economy is capitalist, and bankers and stockbrokers are needed whether you personally like them or not.

I admit to not having read the entire long thread, so apologies if this adds nothing to the debate, but I'm not sure why anybody would bother. The current Labour party hardly have a radical Socialist agenda do they? Just slightly nicer Tories who wear red.

Alas. I'd emigrate to a Socialist country any day if I could find one that would have me (and if I didn't have family and friendship ties here, of course, and a profound sense of loyalty to the community that grew me).

And I'm a teacher. Despite my working class background I have an Oxford degree, and I teach successfully and uncomplainingly (in fact I love it!) in an area of high deprivation. So I am one of the people you really need to keep here if you want this country to function, like many many other respondents on this thread who also come across as ethical, intelligent, brave, reponsible women, working in essential professions.