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General election 2024

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How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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pinklite · 23/05/2024 23:04

Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

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Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:17

Lottelenya · 28/05/2024 15:12

@Polishedshoesalways interested to know your opinion on the Tory record in power ? Incoming cuts to inheritance tax, eliminating tax on pensions, how do you think state schools will survive if the coffers are bare seeing as you seem so concerned by the plight of state schooled kids ?

I can not understand a word of what you are saying. Coffers are bare? That is exactly what Labour will do. Crash the economy.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 28/05/2024 15:18

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:10

Well if the school is big enough and financially robust enough to be spending several million in the local economy then it sounds like it will be able to cut its cloth and survive then. They may get turkey twizzlers on the menu occasionally but there will still be jobs, pupils and a school!

It’s not all spent by the school, obviously.!
Parents visit the school and use the hotels, restaurants etc. Many coming from far away will stay for far more than one night.
They will come from afar and need somewhere to stay for events, the last week of term which locally is a well know week of celebration, for parents evenings and drop offs etc.
Some is spent locally re using local businesses as well.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:19

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:17

I can not understand a word of what you are saying. Coffers are bare? That is exactly what Labour will do. Crash the economy.

Will it crash it harder than Truss did?

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2024 15:21

Parents visit the school and use the hotels, restaurants etc. Many coming from far away will stay for far more than one night.

They don’t sound like the sort of people who can’t afford a fee increase.

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:22

Oh yes! It’s going to be the titanic with captain Starm at the helm and his deputy locked up for tax fraud… the decent trustworthy people that are (not)

Lottelenya · 28/05/2024 15:22

You can’t understand what happens if whole swaths of the population no longer contribute tax to the services they use ? Like pensioners use the NHS the most but will no longer contribute tax towards its upkeep ? And our elderly population is ever increasing. Where do NIC go ? What happens if they are cut ? How do we pay for services ? Is that simple enough for you.
You’re more bothered about Labour but don’t even understand Tory policies..

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:22

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:07

Labour are not going to wait 2 years! FFS this is just pure speculation! Starmer has said it’s the first thing he will do in office. I fully expect nurseries and universities will come next. Closing small village schools and anything connected to a church, especially if it’s white and Christian. He will be taxing us to the moon and back whilst he sits in interviews telling us women have penises, and doing sod all to improve our actual lives.

You are speculating completely here. Actually I’d support a move towards secular education which represents the UK population today. I fully endorse religious studies and am happy that it’s on the national curriculum to study to GCSE level as understanding different cultures and moral viewpoints helps us understand each other. I see no reason why the state should fund faith schools though.

You do realise how you are coming across when you suggest that under a Labour government White Christian establishments will be under threat?

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:24

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:22

You are speculating completely here. Actually I’d support a move towards secular education which represents the UK population today. I fully endorse religious studies and am happy that it’s on the national curriculum to study to GCSE level as understanding different cultures and moral viewpoints helps us understand each other. I see no reason why the state should fund faith schools though.

You do realise how you are coming across when you suggest that under a Labour government White Christian establishments will be under threat?

Labour are allergic to success and ambition. It’s not difficult to see their sneering woke agenda on here, the be kind brigade that are anything but.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:25

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:22

Oh yes! It’s going to be the titanic with captain Starm at the helm and his deputy locked up for tax fraud… the decent trustworthy people that are (not)

You do realise that’s libellous? innocent until proved guilty. They didn’t lock Zaharwi up did they?

Nadhim Zahawi confirms nearly £5m paid for tax error https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68999222

Nadhim Zahawi

Nadhim Zahawi confirms nearly £5m paid for tax error

The ex-chancellor says he is sorry for not giving more details in his ministerial declaration.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68999222

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 28/05/2024 15:26

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:10

Well if the school is big enough and financially robust enough to be spending several million in the local economy then it sounds like it will be able to cut its cloth and survive then. They may get turkey twizzlers on the menu occasionally but there will still be jobs, pupils and a school!

Turkey twizzlers 🤪
I don’t even know what they are, but then I am a vegetarian.

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:27

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:25

You do realise that’s libellous? innocent until proved guilty. They didn’t lock Zaharwi up did they?

Nadhim Zahawi confirms nearly £5m paid for tax error https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68999222

No because there was no evidence it was intentional fraud by Nadhim. I understand there is good evidence to suggest Rayner is up to her eyes in tax fraud, and the police are investigating.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:30

Good evidence? Where is it then? It’s taking a hell of a long time to find it.

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:31

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:30

Good evidence? Where is it then? It’s taking a hell of a long time to find it.

I am looking forward to Rayner being arrested and charged 🍿

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:31

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 28/05/2024 15:26

Turkey twizzlers 🤪
I don’t even know what they are, but then I am a vegetarian.

I didn’t suppose you would Brown Trout 😉 They became infamous through one of Jamie Oliver’s early campaigns to improve the nutritional content of lunches provided in state schools.

herecomesthesun24 · 28/05/2024 15:32

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:24

Labour are allergic to success and ambition. It’s not difficult to see their sneering woke agenda on here, the be kind brigade that are anything but.

Edited

And your evidence for that is?

TooBigForMyBoots · 28/05/2024 15:33

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:17

I can not understand a word of what you are saying. Coffers are bare? That is exactly what Labour will do. Crash the economy.

That ship has well and truly sailed. Liz Truss waved it off a couple of years ago.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:33

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:31

I am looking forward to Rayner being arrested and charged 🍿

I suspect you’ve got a very long wait. The police investigation doesn’t cover tax matters, it’s for election fraud - which is out of time.

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 15:34

US2gether · 28/05/2024 09:41

Well until the tax is collected. £1.7 billion or around that is a great sum for improvements in state school education

I keep hearing £1.7 billion but in the annex of Labour's policy document (on their website) they say less than £1 billion;

ANNEX
... We will invest nearly £1bn of the money raised from ending tax breaks for private schools in the package of policies in this paper ...

Not to mention that the 'package of policies' in the paper is much wider in scope than just schools.

Also, are Labour going to extend the extra funding given to schools in 2022?

Nov 2022 State schools in England will receive a funding boost of £2.3bn a year for the next two years

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/nov/18/jeremy-hunt-announces-23bn-per-year-boost-for-state-schools

Or in fact is the extra 'nearly £1 billion' from Labour going to be less than the £2 billion extra given to schools now?

Katypp · 28/05/2024 15:35

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2024 12:44

Also, if you vote Tory, you're saying that you still don't give a shit about them and are quite happy for that terrible state of affairs to continue.

No you are not. You are saying that there are more issues than just education and you have decided on balance, the Tories are your preference.
There is a contingent on here who think Labour voters are the only ones who care and therefore occupy a moral high ground. They don't.

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:38

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 15:34

I keep hearing £1.7 billion but in the annex of Labour's policy document (on their website) they say less than £1 billion;

ANNEX
... We will invest nearly £1bn of the money raised from ending tax breaks for private schools in the package of policies in this paper ...

Not to mention that the 'package of policies' in the paper is much wider in scope than just schools.

Also, are Labour going to extend the extra funding given to schools in 2022?

Nov 2022 State schools in England will receive a funding boost of £2.3bn a year for the next two years

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2022/nov/18/jeremy-hunt-announces-23bn-per-year-boost-for-state-schools

Or in fact is the extra 'nearly £1 billion' from Labour going to be less than the £2 billion extra given to schools now?

I think you need to reread that.

We will invest nearly £1bn of the money raised implies to me that it will raise more than £1bn and this is how some of it will be used.

Clavinova · 28/05/2024 15:38

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:33

I suspect you’ve got a very long wait. The police investigation doesn’t cover tax matters, it’s for election fraud - which is out of time.

I don't think council tax fraud is out of time.

Polishedshoesalways · 28/05/2024 15:39

BIossomtoes · 28/05/2024 15:33

I suspect you’ve got a very long wait. The police investigation doesn’t cover tax matters, it’s for election fraud - which is out of time.

It’s for council tax fraud.

GotAnyGrapeswaddlewaddl · 28/05/2024 15:40

In think a Coalition is the best outcome until Labour get a new leader !

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2024 15:41

Katypp · 28/05/2024 15:35

No you are not. You are saying that there are more issues than just education and you have decided on balance, the Tories are your preference.
There is a contingent on here who think Labour voters are the only ones who care and therefore occupy a moral high ground. They don't.

I am talking specifically about the posters going on and on about the impact of this Labour policy on the tiny minority of children who are privately educated who, as I’ve said, clearly don’t care about the impact of Tory policy on the majority of children. Until, of course it might impact their children who may end up in those underfunded, under resourced schools that they have happily ignored for years.

BrownTroutBluesAgain · 28/05/2024 15:41

noblegiraffe · 28/05/2024 15:21

Parents visit the school and use the hotels, restaurants etc. Many coming from far away will stay for far more than one night.

They don’t sound like the sort of people who can’t afford a fee increase.

No the school itself won’t be. Russian oligarchs kids etc and many people from abroad and very wealthy families.
But there are a lots of bursary kids that could be affected.
I don’t think our school will be that affected at all, they are advertising for jobs and have just built a new science block which speaks volumes

It may and will certainly become more elitist if bursary kids are affected obviously.

However my original post was about jobs affected.

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