How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

There are schools closing because they’re so under subscribed.

@Blossom tomatoes Really let me know where because they are full to the brims where we live and around anyway near. May be send us a list as proof of this please? London based thanks.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/hackney-schools-children-closing-education-london-b1126468.html

More school closures predicted for London https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68144986

Rolls falling here in Suffolk too as demographics work their way through. If you'd kept up with the news, @Bululu , you would know that the 2000s peak in the birthrate is shifting its way through the system. Not rocket science.

Well that will soon reverse as Labour have a free for all immigration policy. We can expect the very opposite situation in 12 months or less.

Max migration per year under Labour (EU workers, few dependants) was around 250 to 300k....

Under Sunak, 764k per year, double the number of dependants to workers, which is why, despite record migration, we still have labour shortages.

Plus of course, few will ever return, unlike the millions of EU workers who have gone back to EU countries.

No, its your lot that have allowed unlimited migration.

Private schools aren’t evenly distributed across the country, so the effects will be uneven.

Lots of teachers stand to lose their jobs and no one seems to care. I don’t know of any other situation in the public or private sector where the threat to a large number of people’s jobs (not just teachers but admin, catering and maintenance staff etc too) is just dismissed as irrelevant “they can get a job in a state school” or at best ignored. When for eg car factories are under threat you don’t hear people saying “they can get a job somewhere else”. Not everyone is able to have the geographical/family flexibility to just move to a different location. There won’t necessarily be vacancies in a teachers particular subject in their area, it’s not even likely, especially in more rural areas / smaller towns. Even the unions that happily accept members from private schools (which is all the unions, the neu has 32,000 private school teachers) don’t seem to care and don’t seem to have commented.

Its really vile how Labour supporters (allegedly the party of workers!!) seem to be taking glee in the treat to jobs and disruption to young people’s lives. And they know full well the wealthiest people and ‘poshest’ schools will be fine. They are literally glad that small local schools, often with lots of Sen pupils will close. They also forget that is s tax on customers not the schools, and it’s a regression tax that affects the highest earners the least.

We have labour shortages because many millions are bone idle and are on benefits. I can’t see Labour turning that around can you 😂😂

Err if thats true, its happened under the Tories hasn't it?

We didn't need 764k annual migration under Blair, people, by your own argument, went out and worked.

Anyway, the additional numbers of economically inactive is not much higher now than pre pandemic & most of these extra people are ill and waiting for nhs treatment... the Tories have tripled NHS waiting lists.....

Of course they are ‘ill’….

They wouldn’t be on NHS waiting lists if they weren’t.

Are you incapable of sensible debate or is your default mode going straight to name calling and snide comments?
Because I am sorry to say it is posters like this that turn me off voting for Labour.
I would call myself a floating voter this time round but I can't bear the thought of being lumped with the rude and childish name callers on MN, who seem convinced that the way to convince Conservative voters the error of their ways is to insult them.
So silly

Why not focus on the Labour voting posters who don’t resort to insult and name calling? There are a fair few of us. I like your new thread and will be following with interest.

So now you re a Doctor who knows each and everyone of the additional 700k who are now "economically inactive" ?

Some will be work shy, majority wont be, mostly they will not have the right skills and if they do, don't live in the right area.

At 57, i was made redundant, Job Centre plus said the chances of getting work is almost nil, due to my age.... same with younger people, don't have skills that employers want.

You re right but Tory ministers are calling Starmer "Sir Sleepy" and "No idea Kier" also, Tory HQ criticising Starmer on his age.....

...but its all Labours fault.

Four schools in Hackney closing is a drop in the ocean for the population in London. Why they do not sell those schools sites that are closing to raise money for the ones that would remain opened within Hackney? Surely with schools closing there would be more money as less students coming in to schools in the next few years ( not rocket science either) May be this is the game they are looking to play? After shafting the middle class they would said the money came from private schools VAT but in reality this saving would come as less children going to school starts naturally happening?

Also, in the meantime how many private schools closing their doors to affect state intake?

It is a con based on politics of envy and division.

It’s not just Hackney. Pupil numbers are falling all over London. The second link is quite explicit, that’s why I supplied it.

Oh I accept that. But there's a big difference between politicians giving each other derogatory nicknames (normal if childish electioneering) and being described as a 'fucking delusional sky pilots who are rabidly against them furriners and boat people and trans'

Yes but one poster.... have i called tory voters names?

Do ministers publicly call the leader of the opposition and a man they knighted for his public service work, stupid names?

Perhaps papers like the Sun/Private Eye do but ministers of the realm??? i can't remember this happening before.

This.

Well considering most labour supporters are supposed to be champagne socialists and mc liberal elites why would we be envious ? The tories are currently stoking most of the envy and division. Culture war ring any bells ?
You only have to go on the education boards to see how many parents on MN are invested in private schooling. That’s precisely why the kickback against the policy is so vocal. For the vast majority of the population it’s of no importance.

This thread 'how confident do you feel that tories will lose' is dominated by a couple of posters who don't want to pay a bit more for private school fees. Are there no other issues of importance in the election for them - the NHS, social care, poverty (obviously not), crime, state education (obviously not), etc etc. Their main issue is removing the tax advantage of private schools 🤔

Lottelenya - if putting vat on school fees is, as you say, if no importance to vast majority why is Labour insisting on doing it? That just makes it sound deliberately spiteful. What’s the point in penalising some people (to the point of job losses, school closures, disrupted educations) if no one else cares? It’s just nasty.

Apparently it will raise around £1.7 billion which can be spent on state school improvement so an actual levelling up rather than a pretend one.

I personally feel that ALL CHILDREN should receive the best possible education, equal opportunities and the chance to do well not just the small number who can access private schools, small classes, great sporting facilities, great facilities in general etc. Surely its better for EVERYONE if all schools are improved.