How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

I referenced my own family members in my post. Their 'liberalism' is very much focused on 'being kind' and at the same time campaigning against Israel and shouting down women who try to defend our rights. They live in a middle class bubble and epitomise to me what the Labour party has become. They also love Corbyn and will vote him in whatever.

Angela Rayner's class is of no interest to me - what does interest me is her anti-woman stance and her championing of men's rights over women's rights to the point of signing a petition against women's rights and LGB rights organisations.

Not sure where I have said that I support Miriam Cates rather more pointed out that people on here in their tribal and tiresome approach to politics wilfully misrepresent what she says.

They live in a middle class bubble and epitomise to me what the Labour party has become. They also love Corbyn

But Corbyn isn't Labour. Corbyn has been expelled from the Labour Party. The Labour Party has moved on from Corbyn.

This level of self reflection is beyond a lot of people. It'ts tribalism all the way - my side good, your side bad. The lack of nuance in political discussion is painful at times.
See also - if you don't vote Labour you are a Tory bastard even though you may have said several times that you do not support the Tories.

It is also perfectly legitimate to vote for an excellent constituency MP who does things actively for the people he/she serves. I imagine there will be MPs on both sides of the political divide who will retain their seats on the strength of their local service. The same applies to local elections - we are run by independents who are actively out there engaging with the county council on behalf of the communities and wards they serve, and who are also physically out there doing grounds maintenance, litter picking, fundraising and engaging with local schools. They're excellent.

Yes I am well aware of this. 🙄This does not negate my view that these are now the people that Labour represents and seeks to represent. The working class left were behind a long time ago otherwise why embrace such privileged luxury beliefs as women can have dicks?

Less privileged women may have to contend with TW in their spaces - rape crisis centres, public loos, prisons etc. The luxury belief people who promote this middle class ideology never see themselves in this position so don't give a fuck and can call women bigots and anti-trans with seeming impunity.

Yes I hope to vote for an independent but would not do so if if was the odious Corbyn.

I disagree. I am a floating voter who has never voted Labour or Conservative. I am one of the majority of British people who despise this Tory government for wrecking my country. We are a diverse group and our numbers include previous Conservative voters. It even includes Ex Conservative MPs.

Only Tory supporters are still defending this government despite what they may say to the contrary. Last year I was scolded by a poster for assuming she was a Tory voter. Not only did she turn out to be a Tory voter, she stood as a Tory Councillor.

Not a shill @Sunnyandsilly. Just one of the millions and millions of British people who want rid of this stinking mess of a Tory government.

But I'm sure the PP will thank you for your shining example of the tribalism she was talking about.

Sorry, what exactly are you disagreeing with?

I disagree with your tribalism all the way comment. Although @Sunnyandsilly proves that such people do still exist.😆

For most elections the Tories win, it is their actions that lose them the election. Labour just has to not scare the voters, which they did under Miliband and Corbyn. We never vote for any socialist parties. The right wing of the Labour Party is as far left as it is possible to be and have an elected government. The things that the last Labour government did to improve life significantly for people were never announced in their manifestos, they were introduced afterwards when they had the confidence to do it. Sure Start, the Equality Act, winter fuel allowance,

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I want Labour to win because the country is so much worse in so many ways since the last Labour government. The lack of investment in infrastructure, housing, hospitals, schools, everything is back to where it was after Thatcher when Labour didn't have enough money for the repairs and rebuilds and went for PFI to plug the gap. We know that's disastrous now and it won't be done again, but it will still leave them with the problem of hospital and school rebuilds and RAAC replacements. Plus of course the water companies are a disaster and need to be brought back into public ownership and heaven knows where that money will come from, but dishing out millions in profits to shareholders is outrageous given the infections and leaks.
But Labour did sort it all out, and left the disadvantaged with a security net, reduced homelessness, did all the rebuilding and the NHS waiting lists were reduced to a few weeks. It will take years to repair all of this again.

My one big problem with Labour is their treatment of women and the ridiculous belief that a piece of paper "makes" a man a woman. I can't square that at all and their treatment of Rosie Duffield and Labour Women's Declaration appals me. But there isn't another party I have any faith in on this issue so it's a case of hoping for the best.

@SofaThrow that is such a cliche and a huge generalisation. Like all* left wing people support Hamas and hate Israel. And most labour supporters live in a mc bubble, really ? I don’t. Like saying all Tory voters are wealthy toffs. They aren’t. And being disparaging about Angela Rayner who is working class because she’s not the right *kind of working class person, just a bit too loud and brash. It’s all so mixed up, snobbery about working class folk with a huge dollop of dislike envy of educated liberal middle class people who are a bit above themselves, and topped with fawning cap doffing at the tories who’ve done very little for ordinary women over the years. Couldn’t make it up.

'Luxury beliefs' - is that you, Suella?😂

Absolutely. It's such brainless, knee-jerk behaviour. Any criticism of the Labour Party means you're a dyed-in-the-wool Tory, apparently. Oddly enough the reverse doesn't seem to happen. I'm definitely left of centre and will not vote Tory, but there's something very authoritarian, holier-than-thou and wrong-think accusing about a lot of left-wingers at the moment which gives me the heebie-jeebies, frankly.

The only campaign poster I've seen so far is for Reform. In a very safe rural Tory constituency, my conclusion is that they could split the vote enough to cause a Lib Dem win, who traditionally limp home second with Labour trailing.

But I think nationally, the result will be for Labour although possibly not with a landslide, unless Scottish voters turn back to Labour.

I’ve been accused of being a Tory shill, a Labour shill, Momentum and a union rep on here.

I've been called a man because I don't meekly fall into line with the view that feminism is a single issue thing. These days I wear it as a badge of pride, alongside my XX chromosomes.

Same. Apparently I’m a man, a trans activist and the wrong kind of feminist.

@AllProperTeaIsTheft not true. Most lefties are the worst critics of the Labour Party tbh. The infighting that went on about Corbyn was unreal.
And you’re talking about a minority of posters who call Tories scum. It’s uncalled for. Most of us just don’t like Tory policies.

Most of us just don’t like Tory policies.

Exactly this. It's not about the people, it's about the ideology. It'sthen become more extreme as Tory policies have become more extreme, but if you dig a little and go back a little, there's more agreement than people would think.

@AllProperTeaIsTheft not true. Most lefties are the worst critics of the Labour Party tbh. The infighting that went on about Corbyn was unreal.

Oh yes, I'm not denying there are plenty of those too!

Oh for goodness sake. Not sure why you are pretending that I have said these things when the thread will clearly show that I have not.

Once again,I was talking about my own family who I rather think I know better than you. I think that the current Labour party appeals to them very much - what is the issue with this?

Once again my issue with Rayner is that she is a TRA. Nothing more and nothing less.

Once again, I shall not be voting Tory as I will either go independent or spoil my ballot.

I am genuinely not sure how I can say things any more clearly.

If you do not understand my point then lucky you.