How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

I wish that she would leave.

I bet you do. 😂

Not really up to you to decide whether people vote on a single issue now is it? Would you expect people of colour to vote for known racists? Why should women vote for out and proud misogynists?

Yes, I am aware.

I think the Act was entirely reasonable at the time it was passed, given the laws it was required (as a matter of international law) to give effect to.

However, with gender ideology having since become far more mainstream, legislative gaps (particularly with respect to the interplay between the Gender Recognition Act and Equalities Act) have become clear.

You’d think that the Conservative Party might have actually tried to address those issues at some point over the last decade or so, but their only change to any of that legislation was when they made it easier and cheaper to get gender recognition certificates. They just seem to be more focussed on saying pandering things than, y’know, actually changing the law.

So you deny the right of transgender people to exist? But wish to argue over and over that no candidate or MP in the Labour Party or Tory party holds issue with transgender rights.

The right to exist legally is what I’d consider a right but I also believe in renationalising public transport and energy companies, yet somehow you’ve pulled it back to a single issue on every single comment.

Do you lie in wait to this on every thread as I’ve another thread asking for recommendations for a compact SUV for my next car if you want to head over there? Equally I’ve posted threads before about endometriosis, the NHS and cats if you are on a real mission.

Snigger away - I don't find it funny. I feel for her so much - it must be horrendous to be stuck where she is, her Leader cannot stand her and she gets death and rape threats every day from TRA twats.
It cannot be doing her any good and she is never going to persuade Sir 'Women Have Dicks' Keir to see sense after all this time.

The GE isn't a referendum on the economy, education, health or foreign policy either. So would you criticise someone who based their vote primarily on one of these topics?

Yes they could and should have done better. It's shameful.

So you deny the right of transgender people to exist?

Yawn.

1/10 for that disingenuous nonsense. I see you and so do others. And nobody is buying it.

Voting on one single issue in something that is not a referendum means you are supporting the conservative, labour, green or other political parties overall manifesto which is not based on a single issue. If you only hold one issue and have a one track mind with no other views then that’s fine, but that is not what is being voted on as this is not a referendum.

I strongly support Scottish independence, but I am voting for the Labour Party not the SNP. In a referendum on Scottish independence however I would vote in favour of it. This is the difference.

I am not a person of colour, I do not expect them to vote for the Conservative Party nor do I expect them to vote for Reform UK but if they do vote for these parties despite their policies / candidates / governing history then I recognise that they have exercised their constitutional right to vote and have not voted on a single issue that you highlighted.

Exactly. Single issues.

Yes

And as things stand now, both Labour and the Conservatives say that they’ll clarify the law to protect single sex spaces.

If someone were a single-issue voter (on this issue) then they are choosing between:

• a Conservative Party who were on board with Self ID until 2020 and, despite some senior members (including the current and preceding PM) and have not made any legal changes despite having the power to do so;

*a Labour Party who were onboard with Self ID until 2023 and who, despite saying they’ll change the laws, people might reasonably doubt that they’ll follow through on it; or

*some other party.

I get being a single-issue voter - what I don’t get is why a single-issuer voter would vote Tory over Labour on the trans issue. There’s not exactly a big gulf between their current platforms or track records.

I hope Labour win but am not as confident as I would like to be that they will get a majority.

I am going to exit this sadly derailed thread.

I hope everyone can find a party that they are happy to vote for, or spoil the ballot paper.

If people base their vote off one single issue then it is no wonder the country is in the state it’s in.

My vote is based on my many views formed from : a childhood growing up in the north of England, on growing up as a lesbian woman, on studying for a degree and working in the NHS, on being chronically unwell, on working during covid, seeing my friends emigrate to escape the UK, on being neurodivergent and struggling for diagnosis. I was clearly wrong to think people had views beyond a single issue, especially on mumsnet.

Enjoy, it’s certainly an exciting six weeks especially for people who extend beyond a single issue.

No - ludicrous hyperbole.

Except when Labour talk about women they mean women and some men.

So you deny the right of transgender people to exist?
Logic not your forte?

I think that brings us back to the Starmer “some women have penises” vs Rishi “of course women don’t have penises” thing.

Maybe - if you are a single issuer voter on this issue - having Sunak profess to agree with you on ideology is enough. If ever I were going to cast my vote on a single issue, though, I’d be more concerned about actual policy.

If I strongly believed in low taxes for example, perhaps I’d be initially tempted by the party saying “we believe in low taxes”….but if their track record was one of high taxes, and there was no difference between the tax rates actually being proposed by them and their opponents, I don’t think statements of professed ideology would be all that important to me.

A Labour majority would be better because the Lib Dems are fucking nut jobs.

Totally agree with this. I want better public services, not a self-serving tail of ideological Lib Dem's wagging labour's dog.

I've no great expectations of 1997 style investment in healthcare, but am praying for a Labour majority. I have a gnawing concern about shy tories though. I think it will be a lot tighter than current polling suggests.

They’re jumping ship, time’s up

I fear they will win.

What people say they want and what they really want are often quite different.

Ok, well I find that attitude bit odd. Very few people care equally about all areas of government. Most people have a few issues close to their heart, some people have one issue that dominates their decision making. Any of these approaches are valid, we all get one vote, and how we reach our choice is our own business.

Cuts both ways doesn't it?

Really? I think it's extremely likely that Labour would have embraced gender ideology to a larger degree that the Tories if they had been in power instead. I can't imagine a Corbyn & McDonnell led govt would have used section 35 to block the Scottish GRR bill for example.