How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

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Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

I have put a Ladbrokes bet on the Tories to win.

if they lose I lose £1, if they win - I win shit loads. Therefore I thought it was worth a punt. I’m more than happy to lose the £1 - but just in case.

the same bet would have won me £1.13 if I went for Labour winning so I didn’t bother 🤣.

I daren't allow myself to feel confident that Labour will win - as much as I want to! I was confident we would remain in the EU and confident that Johnson wouldn't win in 2019 ... so you can why I'm keeping my mouth shut this time

People who are trans are clearly a minority. A heterosexual white man is not a minority

Ermm....

Except the stupid fucking law that allows it all to happen - that was Labour's gift to the nation.

@Hdkatznahtw125sgh No, I won't base my vote on a single issue luckily. I know if I don't vote for Labour then I'm giving the Tories a chance to win again which I really don't want.

Labour's stance on the trans issue is really worrying though.

100% this.

I agree with you - we are being denied excellent political representation up and down the country. I am spoiling my ballot as a mark of disgust with the lot of them.

It's actually frightening.

@Clogsandtulips

When did I say there were parties who are against transgender people having rights?

There are MPs/candidates in these parties that hold these views, as I stated.

Talk about misinformation indeed

I’m glad to hear your politics extends beyond a single issue.

If it’s any consolation, Labours stance (or lack of) on Palestine seriously concerns me but I am also not a single issue voter.

I’m sure both these issues will be well debated in weeks to come.

The Gender Recognition Act?

Yes, it was passed by Labour but not because they wanted it - the UK was required to implement it (or equivalent legislation) following a ruling against the UK by the European Court of Human Rights.

Which MPs or candidates? I have never heard anyone say this.

Nope. That would be the misogyny of the Labour party which treats Rosie Duffield like shit because she won't toe the party line on gender crap. That shit goes way back to the unions.

The Tories could end up with a black woman leading the party soon - the Labour party are still with the stodgy white middle aged man formula that they have always stuck to.

And yet Duffield stays in the Labour Party. It must be highly inconvenient for you.

Sorry @TooBigForMyBoots I misread the thread is was @ginasevern quoting you quoting me 🙄

https://fairplayforwomen.com/gender-recognition-act-2004-explained/

More on it here.

The PP clearly meant that some people in both parties support the idea of trans rights - i.e., to be legally recognized as their chosen gender, and that others do not.

You seem to be misunderstanding the PP as saying that some politicians believe trans people shouldn’t have any human/legal rights whatsoever.

So what they actually meant was some candidates are against transgender people having extra rights that nobody else has. Got it.

Sadly she seems to put her left wing credentials above her feminist views. It's like being in an abusive relationship at this point and I wish that she would leave.
She MAY feel that she can change things from the inside but we all know that that is just wishful thinking at this point as she is routinely ignored.

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What are you trying to get at here?

Any MP or candidate that is against the right of transgender women using female bathrooms or transgender men using male bathrooms is against one of the rights of transgender people.

My comment was to emphasise that the Labour Party (and Conservative Party) have MPs and candidates with a broad range of views on transgender people and their rights - so whilst the poster may disagree with a parties overall official stance, they are likely to find people with views most similar to themselves in these parties. This applies to many other issues also.

You may have a different view to me on this issue, you may interpret rights differently to myself. The election is not a referendum on transgender people nor is it a referendum on Palestine and I am not going to encourage people to think otherwise.

I think they will win but by a smaller margin than expected. The utterly dump FPTP voting system means where the votes are won is often more important than how many overall votes a party gets....

Any MP or candidate that is against the right of transgender women using female bathrooms or transgender men using male bathrooms is against one of the rights of transgender people.
You said it. Female bathrooms. Transgender women are not female. Stop framing standing up for women's rights as being against trans' rights. It's not. There is no right for anyone to use the bathrooms of the opposite sex, trans or not.

Incorrect. But as I’ve replied to you, a general election is not a referendum on a single issue. Have you got any other beliefs or opinions or is this it?

Yes. I am voting based on lots of issues. This doesn't mean I can't correct false information when you post it.