How confident do you feel that the Tories will lose?

[pinklite]

Do you feel confident? Going off what I see on social media, there is no way that they don't lose by a massive majority.

However I worry that this is just a small snapshot of the public and is not an accurate representation.

It really wouldn't surprise me if we don't have a Labour majority.

What does everybody else think the result will be?

I’m not convinced the British public can be trusted to vote for anything, so I’m not feeling confident in Labour winning.

They are not all equally bad. British governments have done amazing things. They can do amazing things in the future.

But not this one. This Tory government has spent the last 14 years running our country, our economy, our institutions, our faith in democracy and our citizens into the ground.

Read the manifestos, check out your local candidates and vote for the one that best aligns with your views @nopenotplaying. Or vote for the least worst option.

People who are trans are clearly a minority. A heterosexual white man is not a minority. You really must think people are more tolerant than they actually are, to imagine that a man can decide to be trans for a bit, just because he can, and then divert back to ‘normality’ without any grief? Do you really think it’s that simple?

Men can be really hard on other men, and now with such transphobia from a lot of women now too being trans is not exactly an easy route unless you live somewhere that’s incredibly tolerant - Brighton I’m looking at you - it’s not as easy as popping on a skirt for an experiment. It’s bloody hard.

You can object to whatever you like, I’m not a fan of much of what you’re saying either but I’m not making objections.

People can be sacked for being discriminatory, and so they should be. Why should anyone have the right to treat anyone badly because they don’t live in the way the person wants them to? People have been sacked for not serving homosexual people in shops, was that ok or are gay people more acceptable than trans people?

You really must think people are more tolerant than they actually are, to imagine that a man can decide to be trans for a bit, just because he can, and then divert back to ‘normality’ without any grief? Do you really think it’s that simple?
Are you kidding? That is exactly what has been happening. If you invent a stupid system then people are obviously going to exploit it.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/scottish-news/anger-trans-inmates-revert-males-25840252

…but surely voting Tory will damage women in so many other ways?!? Damage women by keeping them struggling to feed themselves, damage women by continuing to fuck up the NHS so women can’t get decent healthcare, continuing to fuck up women by destroying public services. Look, feel how you want about the trans situation, but you should note vote Tory based upon that, there are a hundred ways to fuck women over and the Tories have demonstrated they are experts at fucking over the general public, half of which is women.

And just to add -and I said on the other thread, all of this trans rights stuff has, thus far, happened under a Tory government.

The Tories are not women’s rights saviours at all

You nailed it there !

But you forgot Emily Thornbery fudging it over whether a woman can have a penis ??

Fairly confident. But after spending some time on our Spotted FB page there's a worrying amount of racist Reform voters out there who I suspect will be voting.

Honestly?

I don't believe there is any such thing as a gender identity which matches or doesn't match any kind of genitalia.

And I don't believe people in the UK have ever been particularly intolerant to people who like to wear gender non conforming clothes.

This whole trans/cis malarkey is supposed to reframe a particular self identified group as the most vulnerable and guilt trip women into putting that group's needs above their own, when actually women are the more vulnerable group and always have been.

That’s fine. Reform will just split the Tory vote. It’s excellent news for anyone who doesn’t want a Tory government.

When are the manifestos actually released?

I’ve just looked up some of labour’s policies and would be curious to know how they think the NHS can “always be free for everyone”.

this feels extremely unrealistic

It’s free at the point of delivery. It means you’ll never be asked for your credit card before you’re treated.

The issue with that is how easy it is to avoid paying the bill after the fact though.

I’m really hoping they lose but have serious trust issues with English voters (I am English but don’t live there).

They’ve voted for more of the same shite at the ballot box 3 times and don’t trust that to change.

I will remain hopeful. One good thing is there’s people that would’ve voted Tory last time drinking in all the bullshit from reform UK so they can vote for them with some less extreme Tories edging towards the Lib Dem’s or not voting.

Up here the tories seem to be wanting people to vote Labour to oust the SNP. However there’s also been a swing from SNP to Labour in support so that could end securing a few seats.

I feel for the greens but outwith Brighton and maybe Bristol a vote for the greens in most places is very sadly a vote for the Tories.

I’m really hoping for good tactical voting across the UK (do feel for people whose tactical vote is Lib Dem) but do not think it will be a Labour landslide. Voter ID only benefits the tories.

I don’t trust the Lib Dem’s to not open their legs for the Conservative Party again if the opportunity arose but they are an improvement.

I do have to say (I work in the NHS) that we will see the end of free at the point of use healthcare in the next 20 years, regardless of party. I think it will be done slowly but the health service has been deeply damaged in the last 14 years and do think the wealthier in society do not need free at the point of use healthcare, and do think more needs to be done to improve public provision for those who can’t pay.

The NHS is at breaking point with elderly complex patients, who are unable to get appropriate social care due to a massive lack of beds. It is severely understaffed and losing more and more to Australia / NZ / UAE.

The glorious machine of the NHS has got too big, and the expectation of relatives (who can afford to do more) of what the NHS is responsible for means we already have a two tier system where the poor and vulnerable miss out.

I'd like to know this also

Am I going mad or is it not completely batshit crazy to say a woman can have a penis?

Is this the single issue that you will base your vote on?

This election is at high risk of being won by the tories due to single issues.

There are MPs/candidates in both the Tory and Labour Party who support the rights of Transgender people, and also that do not / are against them.

@ginasevern @TooBigForMyBoots

Well, you are both very rude!

I am most certainly NOT a helpless little woman. You have assumed that I am a woman and stereotyped.

However your assumptions are correct. I am most definitely a woman don't have a penis never have 😂 I can also assure you that I do have intellectual capacity. I do wonder if you speak to people in this manner in real life?

I am merely expressing my frustration. I see things I dislike in all parties, why should I settle for 'least worst' and asked if anyone had a different opinion to persuade me otherwise. It's a long time since we had a labour government but I do remember it, and it was not all roses (see what I did there!)

AFAIK there are no parties who are against transgender people having rights! Talk about misinformation!

Er you what now? How was I rude?

You are not going mad.

In the UK currently? Not really.

Obviously there’s an ideological debate, with gender critical people on one side and those that believe TWAW and TMAM on the other.

But there’s also the current legal reality which means that (for example) a male has the right to be legally recognized as a woman (by obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate).

To me, having Sunak (or anyone else from the current government) say “of course women don’t have penises” doesn’t really mean much, absent any legal changes - and they’ve had 14 years to try and implement those.