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Argument over food with my 9 yo dd - please help me calm down.

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Dumbledoresgirl · 08/05/2009 16:04

DD was a fussy eater as a little child and is still quite fussy now. Aside from the pickiness, lately, she has not been eating her packed lunch, or correction, not eating all of it. Since Christmas, I have made all my own bread and the slices are quite large. Dd kept coming home with her 2 slices of bread hardly touched so I started giving her the smaller ends of the bread. Then she complained that the crusts were too chewy (although she liked that before) so now she only has one large slice of bread.

Even so, lunch comes home uneaten. Sometimes it is the bread, (too much, or yucky filling although she only ever has the filling she chooses) sometimes it is the fruit. Today, for the second time this week, she did not eat all her lunch. Before you say I am giving her too much, she took one slice of bread with Bovril on, one yoghurt and one banana. The banana came back uneaten.

I admit I saw red and told her to sit down and eat the banana (she was asking for a snack so I know she was hungry). She refused. Cue huge row. Me ranting, her screaming and crying. I sent her to her room. I am absolutely seething because I feel she should be able to eat 3 small items at lunchtime, and we really shouldn't be having rows about food now she is 9. It is not as if I give her to things in her lunchbox she does not like.

She wears me down. I also have 3 sons. The oldest and youngest have never been such fussy eaters, and the middle one (who, in his day was the fussiest of all of them) is now thankfully willing to try foods he does not like. Why does dd have to be so difficult? What can I do to a) calm down and b) solve this problem.

PS I made chocolate brownies for them all this pm as I like making a treat they all enjoy for Friday afternoons/ teatime. But this row with dd has taken all the joy out of this treat as I now don't want her to have any of it.

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Laquitar · 09/05/2009 23:02

FairLady im one of those who doesnt make children to eat smth. What we usually do is this: We cook a healthy meal (protein and veg) and always have in the middle of the table a huge bowl of salad (cherry tomatoes, red pepper carrot etc). Sometimes the kids will have just a bit of meat and will eat bread and some veg from the salad bowl. Thats fine. I dont make fuss. Also a big variety of fruits in bowls. They pick the fruit they fancy. I wouldnt dream of forcing them to have apple or banana. Or apple because is monday and mango ' beause is thursday today' etc. No rules.As result they dont live on choc and bisc. Quite the opposite. If you let them choose between bisuit and pieces of raw red pepper they choose the pepper! Maybe i have bizare children or maybe is because food was always fun in our family and we always ate all together. And i never had seperate food for them. No alphabet food here. Children love to eat what parents eat if parents seem to enjoy it. And i think the tip is to start this -eating all together, the same food- as early as possible. As long as you dont cook with salt

Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 23:12

No I am not buying her food I don't want her to eat. I want her to eat chocolate and biscuits and my yummy homemade cakes, and I even don't mind her eating crisps and other horrors. I actually think children should eat those things as they need the carbs, and anyway, I like those things! Not all food should be healthy - we need the naughty but nice treats too.

But I want her to eat healthy things too. I couldn't aim for her to eat 5 a day right now. I would be happy with 2 or 3 a day. But if she eats cereal for breakfast, or toast, and then does not eat her fruit at lunchtime, and only has one vegetable at dinner time, well she has only had one a day. Obviously, I try for more than 2 a day, but it doesn't always work out that way. If I put no guidelines on what she ate as I do feel some have suggested on this thread, then I know she would eat even less healthily.

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Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 23:14

I have also always eaten the same food as my children and at the same time. If I put a bowl of salad on the table, only I would eat from it (not even dh would have any unless I asked him to to set a good example in front of the children).

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morningsun · 09/05/2009 23:21

I think if you keep on putting the variety of fruit and salad on the table,in time they will eat it.
Also i appreciate you said cost is an issue,same for most of us atm,but catch them at their hungriest and give sliced fruit ready in bowls when they get in from school,strawberry,cucumber,sliced banana,plum,tangerine,etc even my older ones still love this when I get it ready for them.

Laquitar · 09/05/2009 23:23

OP I dont know if you have tight budget but can you do a variety platter of roasted med veg (tomatoes, peppers, courgettes, aubergines, mushrooms)dizzled with olive oil and put it on the table and let them choose? I was nannying for 20 years and never met a child who doesnt like this. Also if you dont mind me asking: do YOU like fruit and veg? do you enjoy them or you eat them because you 'must'?

Laquitar · 09/05/2009 23:25

sorry x post

Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 23:31

laquitar, yes I love veggies but I am not that keen on most fruits, but I eat some. Not surprisingly, my children's tastes are similar to mine. They would have no difficulty eating the mediterranean veggies you mentioned though ratatouille (which is what that list reminded me of) is a dirty word for dd!

OTOH, I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that if I prepared a bowl of fruit as morningsun suggested, it would be untouched by dd and ds2, and there would not be much eaten by ds1 and ds3.

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ruddynorah · 09/05/2009 23:31

thank christ you've come along franny! i've learnt a lot from all kinds of threads by you. dd is now nearly 3 and she loves her snack drawer

Laquitar · 09/05/2009 23:35

No you see ratatouille has the same veg but the platter gives them the sense of 'control'

Dumbledoresgirl · 09/05/2009 23:36

Yes Laquitar, same as I said in an earlier post this evening.

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Laquitar · 09/05/2009 23:38

aa ok good luck

morningsun · 09/05/2009 23:53

would they not touch it even if you put the sliced fruit in individual bowls for each child?

FrannyandZooey · 10/05/2009 07:25

but DG it is about quantity again
if she is a small eater you can not expect her to eat the healthy carbs you mention ie cereal and sandwich, PLUS the fruit you want her to eat, PLUS the treats that you like them to have
i can understand you wanting it, but she isn't going to manage it - it's like someone expecting you to suddenly double what you eat, and foods you particularly dislike as well
if she doesn't like fruit i would back off on that
get her to eat veg if she likes them - serve the ones they all like - plenty of them every day
you could do fruit and yogurt at breakfast time instead of cereal if she would eat it? i know you will probably say she won't

FrannyandZooey · 10/05/2009 07:27

and p.s. i did not suggest that people should not have treats - but you are making them / buying them and then having an argument when she wants to eat them
it seems like a problem - one way to sort this is to not make them
you already said you won't change your control in other ways, so i am looking for different solutions

poshsinglemum · 10/05/2009 08:40

I think forcing her to eat a banana and kicking off about it if she dosn't is diabolical tbh. Stop now if you don't want her to be even more wierd about food. Lots of young girls are fussy and figure conscience even at 9. It sounds like white sliced bread may be the way foward. Ok- so it's not the best but mabe she'll eat it. Mabe her mates all have crap in their lunch box and she's feeling peer group pressure.

seeker · 10/05/2009 08:47

I am still laughing at being described as a "trendy laid back parent" I think I'm going to print that off and show it to my children to sho them that I'm not actually the evil witch mother from hell!

I am very strict - bordering on authoritarian - but I do believe in picking my battles. And I really think that there should never, ever be battles about food. They are the ones we all remember as adults - probably because food and love are so closely intertwined in most people's minds. I can more or less guarantee to people that if they remove the emotional element from food,

So I provide good healthy food - people either eat it or they don't - but even if they don't eat it they sit at the table and chat in a civilized way until everyone else has finished.

I provide treats occasionally - bought or home-made. I provide unlimited fruit and raw vegetables. All this is available to everyone. It's not possibly for my children to live on a diet of chocolate biscuits because there are never enough of them available to be more than a very small snack. And when they are gone they are gone - and no more til the next shopping trip.

If this makes me sound smug, I'm sorry. I'm not - you should hear me shreiking like a banshee about homework, tv, computer games...you name it. But I do think I've got it right about food.

FairLadyRantALot · 10/05/2009 09:11

slightly of topic...but....my 2 younger kids, but especially ys, still do not like anything with sauces...that can be Gravy, Beans in Tom Sauce, Tom. sauce for pasta, etc... is that normal...
it's something I find difficult to understand , but than I love lots of sauce...
they both will have to have things seperated on the plate...without foods touching eachother, even if it is foods they love...

mollyroger · 10/05/2009 09:52

Fairlady - that is one of the biggest problems I have cooking for my two - one in particular cannot eat anything in any kind of sauce. He doesn't even like ketchup...
If I make a stew, I have to drain his meat and scrape off the gravy. Obviosuly makes hiding veg in sauces kind of hard.
Luckily he likes plain veg. He lives off meat/fish and vegetables (no rice/pasta/cous cous) and brown bread.

FairLadyRantALot · 10/05/2009 10:07

so, at least not just mine...

Othersideofthechannel · 10/05/2009 10:34

I think not liking sauce is very common.

It took us about 6 months to get all the way to a nice sloppy macaroni cheese from pasta with grated cheese on top.

The children eat meat and veg from stews but I fish it out with a slotted spoon.

They are 4 and 6.

Funny how they have no problem with chocolate sauce and ketchup

pointydog · 10/05/2009 10:44

Who would let their children eat whatever they wanted?

Not me.

I also put new foods on teh dds' plates every now and then, only one at a time, and over the years they have grown to like all sorts of good things. The part I didn't do was to say they had to try one of the new things on the plate. I let them get to the 'liking' part off their own bat. I quietly demonstrate, they learn.

pointydog · 10/05/2009 10:45

the dds did not like sauces at all. Improving now they are older. Very common. Many children like simple, easy to recognise food. It doesn't make you any more successful at parenting if your children love all sorts of sauces and flavours.

mears · 10/05/2009 10:55

I adore Bovril on toast - my mum frequently gave it to us as children. I used to have it in a roll for school packed lunch. I am now in the mood to have some!

Dumbledore - your DD is pushing your buttons - I had a son who behaved like that. We would end up shouting at each other. I got a great book after a recommendation on here (it was aimed at teenagers) but one of the things it said was that you will not fight with each other if you, as the parent, do not rise to the bait and scream and shoutnack. It means a lot of counting to yourself and talking calmly/

How about a comprmoise. Leave the fruit out the lunchbox and get her to eat a fresh bit of fruit when she gets home. Kids are always hungry when getting in from school.

She isn't too old for some kind of reward scheme that is inexpensive - maybe that would help?

mears · 10/05/2009 11:00

Just realised I responded after reading only page 1 of this thread - it may have moved much further on!

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