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unhealthy food, other parents and toddlers! grrr.

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MaeBee · 12/02/2008 12:36

i give my 16mth old a fairly good, balanced diet on the whole, although i'm a bit too easy on those Organix oatbars (sweetened with apple juice).lots of organic veg, fish, a mixture of wholemeal and white, and he's a big fan of fruit. he's a good eater, especially fond of his greens like brocolli and peas etc.
but im finding toddler groups difficult cos other parents keep bringing in "treats" to share with the group. its ALWAYS something to celebrate. today a box of biscuits arrive cos its chinese new year. also some kids have squash (euphemistically called juice to my annoyance!) whilst others have water.
if i don't let him have them when all the other kids are allowed, there is, of course, tantrums. and it feels very unfair too. so i usually let him have one, especially if he finds some on the floor...(!) cos its too late to fish it out his mouth. and i don't want him to be neurotic about unhealthy food. its okay for a treat. but several biscuits several times a week is way too much, isn't it? had to carry him screaming home today after he tried to grab his third one off another child.
have raised this with the leader of the group and she's relatively onside but i understand it puts her in a bit of a tricky position cos she has to say no to people. she wouldn't compromise on the squash though unfortunately.
fruit is offered as well, and he wolfs that down too.
any ideas or tips or advice? except to chill out and stop being so Jamie Oliver about it...?!

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LyraSilvertongue · 12/02/2008 12:40

You need to relax. if all his other food is healthy, then the odd treat will do him no harm at all. My boys have a treat every day and they also eat loads of fruit, veg and other healthy foods. They know what's good for them and they understand that treats aren't healthy and that's why they only get one a day.

TheMadHouse · 12/02/2008 12:41

I would say chill - everything in moderation. If you ban foods then they just want them. Water is fine if you are not happy with the squash and if it is a balanced diet at home then what is the hard in a party ring now and again.

My two love the pink waffers and party rings they get at toddler group.

If you are really against it then take your own snack and drink in. This is what happends at the mums and toddlers I go to.

Twinkie1 · 12/02/2008 12:41

Is this a joke?

This must be your first child - I do hope you have a hellish eater for your second or that all of a sudeen as kids do he decides he isn't going to eat what you give him and will only eat cheese pasties and fruit shoots!

Incredible!

LyraSilvertongue · 12/02/2008 12:42

Twinkle1, that's a bit harsh.

posieflump · 12/02/2008 12:43

it's often children who don't get biscuits etc at homethat grab them off other kids at toddler groups in my experience

EffiePerine · 12/02/2008 12:43

Biscuits three times a week is bad?

Honestly, I'd releax about it if I were you. Of course, if you were me, any more relaxed and you'd be living on sausage rolls and crisps

teasle · 12/02/2008 12:43

Yeah come on Twinkie, we all get our knickers in a twist about stuff at some point don't we? Especially first babies.

doggiesayswoof · 12/02/2008 12:43

Can't they limit biscuits etc to one per child, and then put the rest away?

Otherwise, I think you do need to chill out a bit... sorry. You know if you make a big issue out of it he will notice, and you say you don't want to make him neurotic.

The most important thing imo is that you are giving him a good varied diet and this is what he sees at home - his "norm" if you like. That will speak volumes to him as he grows up. A few biscuits will not harm him

doggiesayswoof · 12/02/2008 12:50

Twinkie can't you remember what it was like to have a 16-month old first dc and worry about what they were eating? He's just a baby.

mrsruffallo · 12/02/2008 12:59

I wouldn't worry too much if I were you. Just keep feeding him healthily at home and he'll get the message that those treats are only for that particular playgroup.
TBH I don't think that its a problem. I know how you feel, my dc have a very healthy diet but these kind of sugary treats just creep in, usually from outside influences.
I think the key is a balance. It sounds like you are doing the right thing

belgo · 12/02/2008 13:01

you better not come to my house then Maebee!

Kathyis6incheshigh · 12/02/2008 13:09

Twinkie - that is exactly what happened to me! And it's not fair to wish it on anyone

georgedontdothat · 12/02/2008 13:11

chillax

mcnoodle · 12/02/2008 13:17

Weather's getting warmer - instead of going to toddler groups (how many do you go to each week - one is enough surely!?) you could arrange to go out with friends. Parks/walks/feeding ducks/picnic.

I think, if you go to lots of toddler groups you have to expect a certain amount of biscuit/crisp scoffing.

MaeBee · 12/02/2008 13:17

blimey, i always seem to find myself at odds with everyone else on mumsnet!
i really don't mind him ocassionally having biscuits, but him eating 3 today is like me having 12! and squash really is the devils work!
maybe i should lighten up. its not that long ago that i offered him some apple crumble my dp had made (sugar and all..if brown and organic!) and he wept and demanded fruit instead.
but we go to toddler groups 4 times a week, and theres always other stuff going on. his grandma is coming over this afternoon and i have a horrible feeling she might bring some 'treat', and i don't want to deny her either. but surely even you slackers have limits?!

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LyraSilvertongue · 12/02/2008 13:19

Three is a bit much for one so young. Can you limit him to one?

hotmama · 12/02/2008 13:19

Maebee - I am like you. My dd's (3 and 2)are not at all fussy eaters - eat very well - but I don't let them eat crap (for want of a better word)

I don't buy chocolate,sweets or crisps and my dd's HAVE NEVER HAD SQUASH!

I am a bit of an organic girl - am a bit flexible about some foodstuffs as want them to have a balanced diet but only have organic meat.

The dd's have a vegetarian diet at day nursery as they are not having Happy Shopper sausages! It has been a battle bending the nursery to my will re giving crap - but I have got there! To my knowledge! The dd's are old enough to snitch anyway!

However, as they have got a bit older they do have some treats e.g. being out for a coffee - they can share cake etc. I do let them have a free for all at birthday parties.

I agree that you have to be flexible about it - if they are not allowed to have any 'treats' then they will probably binge when older etc.

I just don't think they should be called treats - far better treat is a bowl of fresh berries - which actually my dd's would far rather have.

Maebee - just wanted you to know that you are not alone - I wish there were far more like you!

EffiePerine · 12/02/2008 13:21

er...

3 a day is a bit extreme tho - I thought you meant 3 a week. Mind you, DH has been known to give DS 3 (small) milky ways in one day - that's bad, isn't it?

WiiMii · 12/02/2008 13:22

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Twinkie1 · 12/02/2008 13:23

I am not a slacker through choice - my DS ate everything I gave him - was terribly fond of pureed avacado and banana (organic and fairtrade of course!!) but then all of a sudden after a terrible bout of sickness he decided that he would only eat fruit, sausages and jam sandwiches - that is after starving for 2 weekas whilst we tried to give him the food he had always eaten and enjoyed.

Squash is the devils work????

if Brown and Organic!!!!

WTF!!! And he Wept!!

This must be a wind up!

MaeBee · 12/02/2008 13:27

thanks hotmama.
i agree, i let mine have a free time at birthday parties, and im prepared to deal with the sugar meltdown sometimes too, but don't want a regular battle. likewise with meat. he does get the odd bit of organic free range chicken but it costs a bomb! dp likes to go for coffee and a cake with ds too sometimes, and i think that cake is a nice treat too. im looking forward to doing more baking with him (we make bread together sometimes). lordy, i've been known to scoff a whole packet of biscuits myself, im not totally dogmatic.
i just have a crap food issue too.
mcnoodle: ds usually goes to a toddler group in morning,and an outdoor outing afternoons and weekends.
LyraSilvertongue: advanced though he is, his counting isn't up to much...

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melpomene · 12/02/2008 13:28

Just limit him to 1 biscuit. If he wants more after that give him fruit/rice cake/bread stick.

WiiMii · 12/02/2008 13:32

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MaeBee · 12/02/2008 13:33

twinkie1 - i find you very refreshing! in my friendship circles giving non organic apple is considered going a bit far!
unfortunately my friends are too ethical to breed so when i hang out with breeders theres a bit of a gap.
that bit was tongue in cheek. the rest isn't. fess up: what did you have for lunch in your house...?!

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Twinkie1 · 12/02/2008 14:30

Well Ds is at nursery where lunch today is shepherds pie - non organic I bet!! He will eat the cheese off of the top and then the chocolate sponge and custard they give them on a Wednesday for pudding - he will then eat the fruit mid afternoon snack time and then will have cucumber and a M&S chicken fillet (in breadcrumbs no less) for dinner tonight - after refusing the supper at nursery as he knows he will get something he likes at home.

I have one 7.5 year old and one 3.5 year old and they are completely different - you have to not worry so much about stuff ike this - I have a second cousin who is now morbidly obese afetr being denied the food the other kids had when he was small and then going on to spend all his money on junk as he got older.

We have a drawer of crisps and popcorn at home and a huge bowl in the larder of choclate left over from Christmas that my kids don't really touch as they know it is there and just don't binge on it - if they want it and have eaten fruit and protein through the day that is fine they can have some but invariably they don't - it is all about balance and letting them have some stuff that really isn't at the end of the day that bad.

I had egg mayonnasie sandwiches on wholemeal bread and am just about to tuck into a Krispy Kreme donut - as is someone's birthday at work - and a can of diet coke, did have water this morning and a cup of black earl grey when I woke up though!

Having vegetable pasta for dinner after I have done a 5m run though so will burn most stuff I have eaten today off!

I think it is more about not labelling some things bad and giving yourself a break because you are lucky to have a kid that eats well - it may all change though and then you will be even more stressed!