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The Last Jedi - spoilers and discussion?

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SouthWestmom · 14/12/2017 22:26

If you've seen it, come here!

I m a bit sad about there being no more related characters. Dd thinks the kid at the end is a relative of Obi but I can't see how.

Loved the ending with Luke but I was surprised all the old guard have now gone.

Hated the hamster like creatures. It feels like R2D2 was 'cute' so they try to include 'cute' in the films.

Was obvious Kylo Ren and the killing of his enemy.

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CornflakeHomunculus · 16/12/2017 15:03

Not just you Hiding, I thought it was awful as well. Overlong, bloated with too many (and too long) cutesy/funny scenes as well as an entire plot "arc" which was compeltely superfluous as it neither advanced the story nor developed any of the involved characters. Dreadful dialogue and pretty poor acting in many places.

I really feel for poor JJ Abrams having to try and pull that mess together into something half decent for the next film.

Lionso · 16/12/2017 15:24

Same Hiding and Cornflake, as I said in another thread, it was the worst film in the Star Wars franchise. On a par at least with Attack of the Clones. But at least Attack of the Clones was still part of George Lucas' vision of the universe he created.

Ship whoever you want Kylo, Rey whatever but none of it gets past the fact that this film was poor written and a complete mess.

MakeItStopNeville · 16/12/2017 15:26

It was mind numbingly boring! I spent the whole movie counting down until I could leave.

ButtMuncher · 16/12/2017 15:56

Butchy - force sensitive differs to force trained - Leia elected never to train her force leaving that to Luke. Her floating through space implied that she was trained enough to avoid mortality which really didn't sit right. We've rarely ever seen Leia use the force other to communicate with Luke or to 'feel' - never actually in a physical manifestation. It implies that force sensitive characters can achieve levels of immortality. I'm glad they didn't kill her off there and then, as it was too early, but it was much too far for SW.

ButtMuncher · 16/12/2017 15:57

It's definitely down there with the prequels in my list. I'm surprised as R1 was strong.

Empire still the best Grin

papayasareyum · 16/12/2017 16:04

Is JJ Abrams directing the next one? I hope so!

RJnomore1 · 16/12/2017 16:50

I think Leias ability to do that fitted in with reys untrained ability?

She wasn't out there long was she? How fast do you die in space? (Off to google more things I never thought I would be)

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SouthWestmom · 16/12/2017 17:35

Actually the space bit was weird. We all thought that was it, and she was dead.

I reckon the next one will start with Leia's and Luke's joint funeral, watched by Kylo Ren in secrecy. Ren will see him there and find him.

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ButtMuncher · 16/12/2017 17:46

But surviving death in space is a huge leap even for SW - no other force sensitive character has done something of that magnitude, and if a Leia can, you'd have expected Vader to survive the show off with Palpatine. I'm probably overthinking it though Grin I just thought it was a little cheap considering Carrie Fisher is dead, and sadly will not be back to reprise her role, so they're effectively killing her twice.

I did love the homage to Princess Leia through R2D2 when Luke was debating his role in everything. I really felt nice at that and shed a nostalgic tear Blush

ButchyRestingFace · 16/12/2017 17:53

I just thought it was a little cheap considering Carrie Fisher is dead, and sadly will not be back to reprise her role, so they're effectively killing her twice.

I thought she had already shot scenes for Episode IX?

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 16/12/2017 17:56

She died after it was all shot.

HidingBehindTheWallpaper · 16/12/2017 17:57

However it has meant that they have had to rewrite the whole 3rd film.

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SouthWestmom · 16/12/2017 17:59

In the interview with The Guardian Mark Hamill said the first was all about Han, the second about Luke and the third about Leia and that that had to be changed obviously.

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crazycatgal · 16/12/2017 18:13

I agree that the Leia in space bit was a bit of a stretch. It also would have been a good point to kill off the character. Now we'll have a death offscreen which isn't really great for a main character.

sinceyouask · 16/12/2017 18:57

Just back from seeing it. It was fantastic. I loved it to pieces. And oh, the tears when Luke reminded Leia that no one is ever really gone...

ButtMuncher · 16/12/2017 19:17

I thought the best bit to have Leia die was when the resistance fleet peeled off to the other planet and the vice admiral ploughed into the star destroyer. That would have been a fitting tribute to a woman who has spent her life fighting the empire. I guess it wasn't possible to reshoot it Sad

ButtMuncher · 16/12/2017 19:18

Butchy afaik she didn't shoot any scenes for IX. Plan was for each episode to feature the original trilogy and IX was Leias Sad

gabsdot · 16/12/2017 21:43

I was looking forward to seeing the last Jedi and overall I'm pretty disappointed.
There were some good bits, All the parts with Luke and Rey on the Island (I thought all the parts they filmed in Ireland looked amazing). The Rey, Kylo parts were good.
The end was brilliant.
But there was too much unnecessary stuff, and unnecessary new characters that I didn't care about, Like Rose, The codebraker guy, Laura Dern and too make new creatures.
The whole story line with Finn and Rose going to Casino land was pointless.
It's a pity. After watching the Force Awakens, we came out of the cinema in Dublin city centre and we walked around the shops and I felt like a child again. It was something really special, this wasn't. sadly.

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 17/12/2017 00:41

Just back from watching it tonight. I really enjoyed it. Some of the humour was very clunky. I’ve never warmed to Rey and was hoping to change that this time but unfortunately my dislike was just reinforced. Not sure why. Shit acting I think.

Btw, OP am I wrong to say leia and kylo are still related? Confused

I didn’t get the whole mirror/other side thing at all.

I also didn’t understand what happened to Luke at the end. Did he just cease to exist? Because he was no longer necessary? Confused

Loved the kylo/Rey stuff. I reckon they’ve a shared history.

And yes I would so do kylo Grin

DonnyAndVladSittingInATree · 17/12/2017 00:58

I did love the homage to Princess Leia through R2D2 when Luke was debating his role in everything. I really felt nice at that and shed a nostalgic tear blush

I actually disliked that and agreed with luke. It was a cheap shot.

nooka · 17/12/2017 02:36

We just got home after Last Jedi. Just incredibly disappointing. We are big Star Wars fans and loved Force Awakened (saw it three times at the cinema) but thought the characters were wasted, the plot incomprehensible, the dialogue poor and even the action wasn't great. Not sure we'll go and see any more now. Really don't understand how it got such good reviews.

christmastits · 17/12/2017 03:21

@nooka totally agree we both thought it was crap. I feel sorry for JJ Abrams for having to fix this heap of crap for the next one!

It's like the one film he doesn't direct it's completely random and destroys all the characters he built up in force awakens.. but Kylo was cool

nooka · 17/12/2017 04:06

It was just so incoherent. Not just the plot but also the purpose, what story or theme was there to it? We were comparing it to the Attack of the Clones, which has always been our 'worst Star Wars' to date and thinking that at least we knew what Lucas was trying to achieve, even if he did it really badly. What was Rian trying to achieve? I find it quite hard to even summarize what happened, especially as a large part of the plot was totally pointless, it didn't help the protagonists or move anyone's story along.

Rebels/Rebellions (not New Republicans for unknown reasons) are reduced from quite small numbers to very small numbers, while their leaders die or adopt incomprehensible strategies they keep secret from their people who (not surprisingly) think they are going to die but somehow that is a victory because of 'hope'.

Rey changed from cool interesting powerful character to girl who cries a lot, suddenly desperately needs to know who her parents were, doesn't get any training or mentoring, isn't all that powerful anymore and gets wistful over Finn for unknown reasons.

Finn basically reruns his Force Awakens arc for unknown reasons (is a coward, gets courage, has adventures, likes a girl)

Poe does hero stuff and gets stuffed. Oh and stops doing anything vaguely gay.

Rose introduced for no particular reason. Is she just there so that white Rey and gay Poe don't get it on with Finn? I mean I quite liked her but what was her purpose? The plot bit of finding the code cracker was totally pointless.

Luke is just totally wasted. No reason given why Episode 6 Luke, who was calm, cool, wise and generally pretty wonderful basically turns into a bit of a loser who thinks about killing his nephew for his darkness (where he refused to believe his very very bad father was irredeemable) and then goes on an epic guilty sulk while everything goes wrong. Because of Snoke apparently although we never learn who Snoke is or what he did, and frankly given that he goes down like a punk was surely worth Luke at least trying to oppose.

Leia got some nice scenes, but why did they decide to have her in a coma for a big chunk of the film? I was really hoping that she'd have some time with Rey.

The only character that seemed to develop at all was Kylo, but even then he was back to tantrumming by the end of the film.

TheSecondOfHerName · 17/12/2017 08:56

DS1's summary of the plot:

"There are only 500 rebels left. We must protect them."

"There are only 50 rebels left. We must protect them."

"There are only 5 rebels left. We must protect them."

"There's only half a rebel left. We must protect it."

Dozer · 17/12/2017 09:00
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