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The Last Jedi - spoilers and discussion?

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SouthWestmom · 14/12/2017 22:26

If you've seen it, come here!

I m a bit sad about there being no more related characters. Dd thinks the kid at the end is a relative of Obi but I can't see how.

Loved the ending with Luke but I was surprised all the old guard have now gone.

Hated the hamster like creatures. It feels like R2D2 was 'cute' so they try to include 'cute' in the films.

Was obvious Kylo Ren and the killing of his enemy.

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ButtMuncher · 18/12/2017 07:13

I am LOVING this discussion.

ButtMuncher · 18/12/2017 07:14

GoReylo - you pretty much sum up all my thoughts.

RJnomore1 · 18/12/2017 07:22
Grin

I'm still rooting for Rey and kylo to get it on.

Btw -,knights of ren - have we seen them yet? At first I thought they were the red guys in the throne room but I was wrong. I take it they're the Jedi trainers who left with kylo?

badbadhusky · 18/12/2017 07:34

I'm still rooting for Rey and kylo to get it on.

Let’s face it, its the only reason to keep watching. Wink

EvilRingahBitch · 18/12/2017 07:35

Leia has been on the run for large chunks of her life. I’m pretty sure she hasn’t had dressers throughout that period and can, you know, do her own hair (like she did throughout episodes 4-6).

The bombers are designed with a long internal drop for the bombs to pick up speed before continuing to their target using acquired momentum. Also, it’s Star Wars, and if you’re going to worry about the accuracy of the space physics then this may not be the series for you.

I grant you that Rose and Finn’s miraculous explosion-resistant plot armour was a bit Hmm.

Dozer · 18/12/2017 09:23

Perhaps a space age Barnes Wallis of the bouncing bomb has solved the gravity issues!

FlaviaAlbia · 18/12/2017 09:24

Rey and Kylo getting it on? Urgh no. Can you imagine the whiney self pitying rants she'd have to listen to? Much better just to kill him and have done with it.

Dozer · 18/12/2017 09:26

I thought the bit with Rose’s sister going down with her ship was gripping and well done. Reminded me a bit of a scene in Lost.

Luke Skywalker was always annoying and petulant! Less convincing that he’d consider killing Kylo, the old Luke would never have given up seeing the good in him. Or perhaps Kylo was annoying as a DC and his uncle disliked him anyway Smile

Bumply · 18/12/2017 09:29

The first few seconds made me think "that's a model" although that wasn't helped by the 3D (ds1 says my eyes are too far apart for the glasses to work properly)
I didn't like the coder because he reminded me uncomfortably of Gary Glitter (something about the eyebrows).
I could live with Leia using the force/whatever to survive decompression, but there seemed to be an awful lot of surviving in places no breathable atmosphere could reasonably be expected, like the deserted rebel planet and the scenes on the ship after Finn and Rose avoided execution.
But it's a Star Wars film and I'm a geek, so it did the job

TheElementsSong · 18/12/2017 09:59

I liked it, overall.

It was a bit long and there were a couple of scenes that seemed unnecessary (like the video call with Maz and the weird mammal-milking).

I thought there was a general theme of failure for all the main characters, and each sort of developed personally from that failure (or got chopped in half Grin).

MischiefManagedAlways · 18/12/2017 11:39

I really enjoyed it, I'm not a massive fan usually so I was able to just enjoy the film for what it was.

I also left the cinema with a very huge crush on Adam Driver. I would have definitely built a new empire with him Wink

crazycatgal · 18/12/2017 13:16

Have to say I did like the Porgs - and they're birds, nothing like hamsters 😂

SouthWestmom · 18/12/2017 13:31

Hated them. They looked like toys already. No purpose except sales.

Also hated the space Carrie bit.

And the weird scene in the casino when the coder never really materialised and they ended up with the other one. Seemed like a story they'd filmed and then cut most of.

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crazycatgal · 18/12/2017 13:33

Yeah Carrie in space was really cringeworthy.

Piffpaffpoff · 18/12/2017 13:54

I absolutelyhated Princess Leia simpering ‘yes, I changed my hair’. I get that it was a joke but in a film with so many strong older women in it, urgh, it just grated.

Other than that I quite enjoyed it. Could have done with about 1/2 hour less of Luke Skywalker stomping about in a huff on his island.

SouthWestmom · 18/12/2017 14:07

Yes actually. Rey handing about for Luke was boring.

Also the milking was gross.

And old Luke didn't match young Luke.

I still didn't get the weird black hole thing.

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EvilRingahBitch · 18/12/2017 14:49

The black hole was an echo of the tree from Empire. Luke is the product of his father which is why he sees Vader. Rey is just herself.

PricklyBall · 18/12/2017 14:56

Oh, loads of interesting comments on this thread. My two-pennorth for what it's worth (well, 2p, I guess...)

It was fun as a Saturday afternoon with popcorn. Some great moments (Holdo crashing the ship through the destroyer at light speed). But lots of flaws.

Top of my list would be: it felt like they'd come up with half a dozen possible "fantastic show-piece climax endings", couldn't decide which one was best, so threw the whole damn lot in there one after another (the fight between Rey and Ren, Finn sees off Phasma, Holdo saves the remnant of the rebels, Finn looks like he's going on the brave suicide attack, Luke and the showdown with Ren... too much already!)

It also felt (totally unnecessary side plot with Finn and Rose) like they were writing for a TV series, not a film. Too many minor-ish characters, which in a TV series you would have had time to develop their characters, just thrown in to make a mush. On the subject of Finn and Rose - Finn has been doing this almost-running-away-then-getting-cornered-into-doing-the-decent-thing schtick for 1 1/2 films worth now. Dear writers - if you wanted me to start warming to him as a character, don't you think the scene would have been massively stronger if you'd had him get to the escape pods, have a moment of epiphany and find the strength to say "this time I stand my ground and stick with my friends" on his own? Double advantage: Finn would have genuinely grown as a character and we could have left the boring casino world (and gratuitous cute kids) on the cutting room floor.

Actually, both the sequential climaxes that turn out to be mere foothills and the casino-can-we-get-the-codes-in-time dead end are illustrative of the basic problem - it was plotted like a TV series, not a film. Films need much tighter plotting, much more of a sense of going somewhere (by which I mean the sense that they might, that it's building to something - not that we as an audience have to know what the destination is).

Darth Kevin the Teenager grew on me a bit, but at the same time I realised what was so wrong with his character. I've been toying with the idea of tragedy. Classical Greek tragedy - you get an otherwise great, heroic figure who becomes the toy of the gods and gets destroyed by their heroism just being the wrong thing in the wrong place at the wrong time. Shakespearean tragedy - you get an otherwise great, heroic figure who gets destroyed by their own character flaw - MacBeth's ambition, Othello's jealousy, Lear's narcissism. Kylo Ren doesn't cut it in the "otherwise great and heroic" stakes, and his character flaw appears to be... indecision! "OMG, I can't decide if I love or hate my father... OMG, I can't decide if I admire or hate Snoke, my mentor... OMG, I can't decide whether I despise this upstart girl or want her to rule the galaxy by my side..." Come on, writers, that is not the stuff that great sweeping epics are made of.

(In fairness, though, young Luke was pretty whingey too!)

TheElementsSong · 18/12/2017 15:08

It's basically a Skywalker hereditary trait, isn't it? Strong with the Force, and Whingey Grin.

ChocolatePHD · 18/12/2017 15:55

Saw it this morning.

Stray observations:

  • some brilliant fight scenes, the best being between Rey and Kylo v Snoke and Luke v Kylo
  • Poe Dameron is beautiful, I could stare at his curly hair and big eyes all day. ❤️
  • Kylo Ren= woof! I'll just attach a pic to this to please the Kylo lusters amongst us... I bet he and Rey would have some good sex given the chance! Grin
  • it was overlong, far too much Luke sulking and Finn and Rose's storyline was POINTLESS.
  • I was a bit disappointed that Finn is now perhaps romantically tangled with Rose, that wasn't convincing at all. TFA set him up with Rey.... having said that Rey's thing with Kylo was the best thing about the film so maybe it's fine.
  • so lovely to have Luke back and I enjoyed the illusion trick in the fight with Kylo. However he stropped about on the island for too long and I'd have liked to see him doing more with the others.
  • LOVED Yoda reappearing.
  • Laura Dern's lilac hair was v out of place.
  • Leia flying in space was stoopid.
  • the plot was improbable as always but the film was enjoyable nonetheless.

Ps yummy pic alert

Dailystuck71 · 18/12/2017 16:15

I wanted to love it but I didn’t.

Far too much on the island with not a great deal happening.

Mary Poppins bit was dreadful.

I loved the force awakens. Funny comedy and a good story. I am glad I saw this but not thrilled.

Dozer · 18/12/2017 16:16

Hamlet was pretty similar to kylo in the OMG self absorption stakes!

MischiefManagedAlways · 18/12/2017 16:40

ChocolatePHD, that picture 😍 Thank you for sharing!

RJnomore1 · 18/12/2017 17:09

A young keanu with a slightly wonky nose.

I'm sure there's a photo of keanu almost identical.

I'm prepared to go investigate for you all. Taking one for the team. Be back soon.

FlaviaAlbia · 18/12/2017 17:39

Be back soon

Do you think someone should send out a search party or is RJ perfectly content? Grin