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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5564959-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-in-which-we-wait-excitedly-for-the-next-instalment-of-goseis-adventures

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AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 16:28

@MyrtleLion that is amazing. And the plot of a romcom, Educating Rita style?

I think so many of us battle our way through - and so lovely that you and Walrus found your way through! When I look back at the last 4 years with DD, but also mine and DS’s diagnoses and all the stuff we have navigated through, I do marvel at the fact that I am still here, desperately trying to finish. Am still pinching myself that I have a draft novel. But am feeling reassured by the number of people here and on Fb who have mentioned writing up in 6m. I just have that last 40k to do. It feels so much more achievable now I’ve read your story,

ErrolTheDragon · Today 16:41

I’m just catching up after being out for the day (Holker hall in Cumbria, beautiful day up here today).
M&S sizing…. I’m 5’1 and a couple of years ago bought some short length straight leg jeans without trying them on because they’d reliably fitted for years… only to find them about 4” too long. But this year their straight leg Siennas in a short (not extra short, don’t think they had any) were once again the correct length. So maybe enough women complained that they put their sizes back in line with population statistics? Confused

ErrolTheDragon · Today 16:48

Was your library the John Ryland, @MyrtleLion? It’s the only one I’ve been in in Manchester, it’s a very lovely building, rather unexpected on Deansgate.

Thehorticulturalhussie · Today 16:51

Magpiecomplex · Today 16:05

@Thehorticulturalhussie I must admit I was intrigued by the Caribbean maintenance lobsters. They turn out to be very efficient!

They’re very efficient and professional. When we found The Virago she was in pretty bad shape and needed repairs below the water line so hiring them was a no brainer. They have rigged up plimsoll line hammocks for themselves for when they’re off duty and also a small net at the aft of the ship to catch fish. Honestly, would definitely recommend.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 17:10

ErrolTheDragon · Today 16:41

I’m just catching up after being out for the day (Holker hall in Cumbria, beautiful day up here today).
M&S sizing…. I’m 5’1 and a couple of years ago bought some short length straight leg jeans without trying them on because they’d reliably fitted for years… only to find them about 4” too long. But this year their straight leg Siennas in a short (not extra short, don’t think they had any) were once again the correct length. So maybe enough women complained that they put their sizes back in line with population statistics? Confused

I nearly stopped shopping at M&S 18 years ago when my DH’s nan (the DC’s great nan) announced the clothes were ‘too old’ for her. She was 4ft 11 and 87.

MyrtleLion · Today 17:27

Gosie up next.

MyrtleLion · Today 17:30

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 16:28

@MyrtleLion that is amazing. And the plot of a romcom, Educating Rita style?

I think so many of us battle our way through - and so lovely that you and Walrus found your way through! When I look back at the last 4 years with DD, but also mine and DS’s diagnoses and all the stuff we have navigated through, I do marvel at the fact that I am still here, desperately trying to finish. Am still pinching myself that I have a draft novel. But am feeling reassured by the number of people here and on Fb who have mentioned writing up in 6m. I just have that last 40k to do. It feels so much more achievable now I’ve read your story,

Aww, thank you.

I had a spreadsheet that had the total number of words I needed to write and divided that by six weeks.

The Walrus moved out of his study to the sitting room to work and brought me tea and lunch and made me take breaks and that's the first time I realised I was with the most brilliant man. I did feel a bit guilty about the Christmas shifts, but they were utterly horrible to me and deserved it.

You have a draft novel!!! It's amazing. And you can definitely write up in six months. And then after your viva, you will have more time for corrections, so it doesn't have to be exactly perfect. Maybe let your inner pedant/critic/perfectionist relax a bit...

MyrtleLion · Today 17:31

ErrolTheDragon · Today 16:48

Was your library the John Ryland, @MyrtleLion? It’s the only one I’ve been in in Manchester, it’s a very lovely building, rather unexpected on Deansgate.

I had a flash of memory and looked it up. It was the Literary and Philosophical Society at the Portico!

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 17:40

I dropped some kitten food off with one of the fosterers this afternoon & I’ve spent the past couple of hours playing with them. Two black & white girls & two ginger boys. Current possible name choices are Wilma, Betty, Fred & Barney or Cagney, Lacey, Starsky & Hutch.

MyrtleLion · Today 17:40

ErrolTheDragon · Today 16:41

I’m just catching up after being out for the day (Holker hall in Cumbria, beautiful day up here today).
M&S sizing…. I’m 5’1 and a couple of years ago bought some short length straight leg jeans without trying them on because they’d reliably fitted for years… only to find them about 4” too long. But this year their straight leg Siennas in a short (not extra short, don’t think they had any) were once again the correct length. So maybe enough women complained that they put their sizes back in line with population statistics? Confused

They haven't done a mass population measurement and resizing since the 1950s. Sizing no longer sticks to the Weights and Measures Act and is often vanity sizing. I was never a size 10 when I was 18, skinnier and lighter than I am now. I was a 12. Now I'm a size 10 in some clothes. I'm 11st 11lb and 5'7" and a bit, which I'm very fond of. I'm still 3-4lb off a "normal" BMI of 25.

I piled on weight due to the pandemic and was up to 16st 6lb at my heaviest in January 2022. I lost about a stone a year, but lost two stone in 2024 due to the stress over leaving my job. Then I was stuck there moreorless for another two years until late July when I started the ADHD meds, which reduce appetite and are a stimulant. And I can't drink on them, so that has helped.

MyrtleLion · Today 17:54

27. Sunday

In which the reports begin to arrive...

Gosie was back at the Bluestocking by 10am on Sunday morning, and @AngleofRepose had never left it. The atlas was where it had been on Saturday morning, and so, very nearly, was Angle, with a fresh page in her notebook ruled into columns and Glossy’s darkroom door already shut, because the first film had come back with Gosie.

The reports came in through the day.

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius was first at 11.30am, with her scarf still wound for Glasgow.

“The big west window,” she said. “The Creation. There’s a large figure of Eve in the centre. The mark’s in the leading under her. The circle. The three lines.” She took her scarf off and hung it on the back of a chair as if she intended to stay. “I’ve photographed it. Gerbera has the film. She’s on the 12.14.”

“Under Eve,” said Angle, writing it.

“Under Eve,” said Wolef, and went to the bar.

Cumbrae did not come in. What came in at 1pm instead was Gangplank, wet through, saying she had been put over the side of the galleon with a message. @Swashbuckled was still aboard The Dreadnork, making for the mainland against the tide.

“What’s the message?” said Angle.

“Two windows, both photographed,” said Gangplank, and was given a towel.

“And did she find any marks?” asked Angle.

“She didn’t say. Swashbuckled just told me to swim very fast and tell you what I just told you. She made me memorise it and repeat it to her six times, so she was sure I would say it right.”

By now Gangplank had an audience, because a wet gerbil with a message from a galleon was the most interesting thing to happen at the Bluestocking since breakfast.

“Were there sharks?” asked Girdle.

“There are no sharks in the Clyde,” said Gangplank, towelling one ear.

“Were there rocks?”

“There were rocks. I swam round them.”

“Did you see any shipwrecks?” asked Gimbal, leaning in. “On the bottom? When you were swimming?”

“I was swimming on the top.”

“But if you had looked down?”

“I did not look down. I was remembering the message.”

“Say it again,” said Girdle, and Gangplank, who had said it six times to Swashbuckled and once to Angle, said it an eighth time, to general satisfaction, and was allowed to finish her towel.

“That could mean anything,” Angle said. “But then Swashy is a woman of very few words.” She wrote Cumbrae in the notebook. Two windows. Then nothing after it and left the rest of the line empty.

@ChristmasStars came in and said, “@FuzzyPuffling has been to Truro. She’s sending the film and a letter, which will probably arrive in a few days.”

“Did she find anything?” said Gosie.

“She didn’t say.”

Angle wrote: Truro. Film and letter to come in the post.

@ErrolTheDragon did not come in, because Errol did not fit, but at 4pm Errol’s three gerbils did. Gospel, Gossip and Gray went straight past Angle to the darkroom door and knocked, which cost them a certain amount of fixer, paper and goodwill before Glossy would open it.

“We need more film,” said Gospel.

“You had a whole roll,” said Glossy.

“We used a whole roll,” said Gossip. “We need another one. Possibly two.”

“For one cathedral?”

“For one chapel,” said Gossip. “It’s significant. We’ll explain when we get back.”

Gray held out both hands for the film. Glossy issued two rolls, made all three of them repeat the part about not opening the back of the camera, and watched them go out, back towards the yard where Errol was.

“Liverpool,” said Angle, and wrote More film. A great deal of it. She looked at the words and added Significant?.

@Thehorticulturalhussie and @DauntlessDamson came in last, at 6pm, having been to Yorkshire between them and argued about the route in a total of four words each way.

“Nothing,” said Hussie. “Not even Sheffield. Checked it all. Good, new glass. Leading has nothing. Checked twice and Dauntless checked a third time.”

Dauntless, already at the bar, confirmed this with a single syllable. “Nowt.”

“Nothing found,” said Angle, and wrote it in the same hand as everything else.

By 7pm the darkroom had given up its first prints, and Glossy laid them along the big table. Westminster Abbey, the old mark bare in the lead below the Gaskell lozenge, and Glasgow. Gerbera had arrived at 5.15pm with the film, and there it was, the Margrave’s mark under Eve.

The door opened hard, and Gospel came through it at a run with three rolls of film held above her head like a torch.

“More film,” she said. “We need more film.”

“You have had three rolls,” said Glossy, not taking them.

“We have used three rolls.”

Glossy took the film, counted it, looked at Gospel, and went out to the yard herself, where Errol filled the gateway and a certain amount of the lane beyond it.

“That is the good film,” said Glossy. “Do you know what the good film costs? How can you possibly have run out?”

“Because there are so many marks,” said Errol, “and we still have five more to photograph.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/27-sunday

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
EmpressaurusKitty · Today 18:42

Have you read The Farmer's Wife, by Helen Rebanks, James's wife? It is written in journal form and shows just how much the running of a successful farm owes to the farmer's wife. While he is out saving the planet from climate change, she is ensuring everyone is clean and fed, managing the children and the paperwork, looking after various livestock and catering, not just for their own family, but for the farm workers and various visitors. It is interspersed throughout by recipes which are often made in vast quantities!
And she has a first class degree in Fine Art!

I’ve just finished the audiobook version of this, @DauntlessDamson . Thank you. She’s a very evocative writer, I listened with complete incomprehension as to why anyone would choose her life, but also with growing respect & liking for her - much more than I had for her husband when listening to The Place of Tides!

Thehorticulturalhussie · Today 19:07

MarieDeGournay · Today 14:56

I'm way behind - not just because I have to nip over to Chat, but because there is now another big job to be done on my house - not so much a huge job, but one that has a whole lot of side effects, and scheduling in the trades that need to move X before Y can be replaced and when to book the delivery of A B and C is flowchart territory🙄

Of course none of this will take me away from my important task of ... checking whatever it is about stained glass that I'm supposed to be checking wherever it is I'm supposed to be doing it,I think it was 'Everywhere Else', wasn't it? - sorry, Gosie, I need you to run through my mission statement again🙃
But I'm 100% committed to doing it, whatever it is, now where's my flask and sangers? [Hiberno-English for 'sarnies'Smile]

It doesn’t matter at all if you’re behind. Much as we all love the Gosie chronicles you’re bound to have higher priorities. Do us good to wait. Delayed gratification, innit.

Personally I’m not prepared even to be in the same room as an open spreadsheet ever again. They can smell fear you know, spreadsheets. Like horses. And inkjet printers. But good luck. 🙂

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 19:11

Harking back to @MyrtleLion ’s post and her romance with the Walrus: I realise that Educating Rita was probably one of the reasons I aspired to go to university. That film and Brideshead Revisited [tho’ embarrasingly, the homoerotic nature of the story went completely over my head…].

Were there any films, or books, that, in hindsight, anyone feels had a significant influence on them growing up such that they may have, in some small way, have shaped their lives?

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 19:24

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 19:11

Harking back to @MyrtleLion ’s post and her romance with the Walrus: I realise that Educating Rita was probably one of the reasons I aspired to go to university. That film and Brideshead Revisited [tho’ embarrasingly, the homoerotic nature of the story went completely over my head…].

Were there any films, or books, that, in hindsight, anyone feels had a significant influence on them growing up such that they may have, in some small way, have shaped their lives?

Just mentioned this to DH - for him it was Chariots of Fire. As a runner and scientist he fell in love with the idea of Cambridge and left no stone unturned in order to get there. And we question the power of social media today?

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 19:26

He is now asleep. Week in trinidad working- jet lagged. But he got to tour Queens Park Oval cricket ground. As a boy who used to sleep with his cricket bat rather than a teddy he was ecstatic…

Magpiecomplex · Today 19:37

Nothing quite as direct for me, but there were definitely three strong female characters I aspired to be like. Servalan (dodgy morals notwithstanding), Emma Peel, and Romana. Smart, independent, stylish women. And if anyone had any doubts about my geek credentials, I've just comprehensively laid those to rest!
Add in Meg from A Wrinkle in Time, and later on Granny Weatherwax, and that's me.

Magpiecomplex · Today 19:39

Thehorticulturalhussie · Today 19:07

It doesn’t matter at all if you’re behind. Much as we all love the Gosie chronicles you’re bound to have higher priorities. Do us good to wait. Delayed gratification, innit.

Personally I’m not prepared even to be in the same room as an open spreadsheet ever again. They can smell fear you know, spreadsheets. Like horses. And inkjet printers. But good luck. 🙂

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I love a good spreadsheet. If you have a problem that can't be solved with a spreadsheet, you're just looking at it wrong.

ErrolTheDragon · Today 19:45

I don’t remember any significant influences, but I did read a book (probably one belonging to an older brother) in which the protagonist’s girlfriend was a (Cambridge) academic described along the lines of being “a crystallographer, or rather a crystallographess”. Despite not being exactly sure what one of those did at the time, it somehow resonated with me and stuck in my mind, so it was quite nice to find myself being one for my PhD.😂

Thehorticulturalhussie · Today 19:45

Magpiecomplex · Today 19:39

I love a good spreadsheet. If you have a problem that can't be solved with a spreadsheet, you're just looking at it wrong.

Since I stopped working with spreadsheets I have no problems 🙂

ErrolTheDragon · Today 19:50

Magpiecomplex · Today 19:39

I love a good spreadsheet. If you have a problem that can't be solved with a spreadsheet, you're just looking at it wrong.

What’s a good spreadsheet though? I was spoilt when I was working by having data pipelining software to hand and didn’t have to use Excel which is bloody awful clunky shit.

Magpiecomplex · Today 19:53

ErrolTheDragon · Today 19:50

What’s a good spreadsheet though? I was spoilt when I was working by having data pipelining software to hand and didn’t have to use Excel which is bloody awful clunky shit.

A good spreadsheet is one that works, and is clean and efficient. I see far too many bad spreadsheets in my job.

EdithStourton · Today 20:01

Inkjet printers can smell urgency and panic. At least, ours does, and sits there silently, rubbing its little hands with glee.
'Waiting for job to complete' and doing nothing.
Horrid thing.

Myrtle, loved your MSc story.

EmpressaurusKitty · Today 20:02

Good spreadsheets are a joy. And there’s little more annoying than having a colleague who keeps messing them up. 😡

The Avengers was originally before my time but I watched repeats. Emma Peel, yes, but Cathy Gale was even better.

I used to have posters on my wall of Lauren Bacall & Xena Warrior Princess. In retrospect I think the whole Xena & Gabrielle story could have been done far better but at least it was before trans.

I know I’ve talked about this before but I picked up a glorious book somewhere called The Empress of the Seven Oceans (my original username) about a group of women & girls, some witches, some lesbians, who, in various ways, escaped from the misogynist world they lived in & ended up together on a ship which they named Empress of the Seven Oceans.

At the end, recognising that they were always going to be at risk if they stayed in the world, they flew the ship to the moon.

There weren’t any gerbils, but they would have fitted in here perfectly.

AnonyMumAuDHD · Today 20:05

@ErrolTheDragon had to look up chrystalographer/ess and am still nonethewiser! Daren’t ask DH or DS in case I end yo being TedTalked! Am wondering whether DS may come across it in his phys degree though.