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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

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inkymoose · 01/09/2026 13:39

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 01/09/2026 13:27

I am feeling a little bit successful, because I have done a bit of decluttering. I've been through my cookbooks, and got rid of a number of them - ones I'm not going to use again. It's a drop in the ocean of what needs doing, but it is a start.

Dh and I keep talking about possibly needing to downsize in the future, but if we want to do that, we need to drastically reduce the amount of stuff we own - the problem is we are very good at talking about decluttering, but absolutely shite at actually doing it.

Well done Woley! I am in awe of @Boiledbeetle and her thousands of deletions and exclusions, but feel completely inadequate to get rid of stuff myself. I am quite heartened to read that you also find decluttering difficult to do, and I'm very encouraged by your success!

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2026 13:47

Dolly Purrton - Calico (Tribute To Dolly Parton)

Bugger. That worked in preview

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 13:49

I completely understand, Myrtle. Those invisible disabilities are so hard to demonstrate in the sort time.

DS2 has inattentive ADHD very severely to the point he lost his job and would forget basic self care like eating or brushing teeth when he lived in shared accommodation. He's so bright and honestly the nicest human being you could hope to meet, but without the scaffolding we'd constructed for him at home hereally struggles with executive function.

Woley, congratulations! Any progress is good work. I was decluttering MIL's bookshelves with her (despite her?) on Saturday so we could empty, move, clean behind the bookcase and paint the walls.

We found a long-dead mouse among other surprises.

We got rid of 5 sacks of books for recycling at the tip, 2 sacks for charity shops, and still had far more than would fit in her shelves, but it was definitely progress.

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2026 14:03

inkymoose · 01/09/2026 13:39

Well done Woley! I am in awe of @Boiledbeetle and her thousands of deletions and exclusions, but feel completely inadequate to get rid of stuff myself. I am quite heartened to read that you also find decluttering difficult to do, and I'm very encouraged by your success!

I hit a tipping point and there was just too much crap, and more things than I could possibly use in my lifetime.

I have weeks though where I really struggle to think of anything I could possibly part with - those are the weeks where I get rid of yet more of the 1000s of individually wrapped toothpicks in the cupboard or take a handful out of the many tubs of cable ties.

It doesn't make much difference room wise but does help to keep me going.

Then I have days where I'd happily throw everything I own into a skip. On those days I tends to choose things I've been umming and ahhing over for weeks. Goodbye chair that was uncomfortable after five minutes. Goodbye desk that had an annoying feature that pissed me off every time I used it.

There have been a few things I've later thought I wish I had kept that, however I've not had a moment where I've actually needed the very something I got rid of at an earlier stage. And if I do discover I need something I've got rid of then I'll just buy a new one.

Chickadeeinme · 01/09/2026 14:11

@MyrtleLionyour DSD’s struggle with the PIP system is very reminiscent of the struggle people have sometimes with the health insurance system over here. DH, who is 84 and with a very bad back including several ruptured discs and scoliosis recently had a worrying issue. We went to urgent care and they did a CT scan that showed a severe stenosis in his lumbar spine and recommended him to get an MRI urgently. He talked to his doctor who said she thought Medicare wouldn’t cover it because they would say he needed weeks of physio first, even though we know that would do nothing for his specific issue. He asked her sarcastically what the word “urgent” meant as used by the doctor he saw at urgent care. We are lucky that if necessary we will pay for the MRI out of pocket, but Medicare should be covering 80% of the cost.

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2026 14:15

Today's items were just random things I had come across whilst doing other things this morning.

I could not think of justification for keeping any of them, so they had to go.

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
EdithStourton · 01/09/2026 14:31

Myrtle, wishing you well with the DWP.

I had three fights with large organisations so far this year (2 wins, one possibly I lost but not confirmed as yet), so I have some inkling of how you must be feeling - but you have your DSD's emotions to consider in all of this as well, which must make it so much harder.

Intellectual/processing issues can be very hard to see in shorter periods of time. I used to know someone who could write an excellent letter, so on paper the first impression was that she was completely fine. In the flesh she initially came over as bit odd but not much more, but in reality she had to live in supported housing. The PIP assessment would struggle with someone like her even if it was being carried out in good faith, which it clearly isn't.

Pasta, well done on reaching the stage of being promised your knee op. I hope it comes up soon and that you sail through it.

And Chickadee, I have had encounters with US medical system. It made me very grateful for the NHS - or, at least, the NHS as it was 20-odd years ago.

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 14:31

It's an admirable discipline, Boily. I don't hoard much but in a 1930s semi with 5 adults we just had so much STUFF. Including all the kitchen and bedroom stuff of the two who went away to university.

DS1 collects Warhammer armies, DS2 collects manga and graphic novels, DD buys clothes (thankfully from charity shops) as if she were dressing a village and not one young woman, DH has never seen an electronic gadget he didn't 'need' and I have an out of control paperback habit. It's a constant battle for storage despite regular decluttering.

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2026 15:05

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 14:31

It's an admirable discipline, Boily. I don't hoard much but in a 1930s semi with 5 adults we just had so much STUFF. Including all the kitchen and bedroom stuff of the two who went away to university.

DS1 collects Warhammer armies, DS2 collects manga and graphic novels, DD buys clothes (thankfully from charity shops) as if she were dressing a village and not one young woman, DH has never seen an electronic gadget he didn't 'need' and I have an out of control paperback habit. It's a constant battle for storage despite regular decluttering.

I still have every games console, and game, I've ever bought since my first Gameboy. I currently use none of them. I will not be evicting them!

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 15:24

Boiledbeetle · 01/09/2026 15:05

I still have every games console, and game, I've ever bought since my first Gameboy. I currently use none of them. I will not be evicting them!

I hear you. DS2 has every games console including those from before he was born. He still plays them every now and again.

He and his brother did set up a system for me to play Civilisation II (complete with video clips of my council of advisors) last summer, bless them. It was hilarious.

You should have seen me trying to convince MIL that choosing her top 5 - ok, top 10 - books each on massage, aromatherapy, chakras, crystal healing, reiki, feng shui, reflexology, colour therapy, runes and tarot reading was not "Making me throw everything away, just like the grandchildren warned me you would."

She kept them all. 22 books on massage, mostly from the late 70s, and 12-18 books on each of the others. At least all the other How To books, in various states of decay and collapse, left the house.
(See also the manuals for long deceased cars, domestic white goods and small appliances that she'd held on to through two house moves)

I tried to explain I wasn't trying to get her to get rid of stuff, I was trying to make enough space that she could see, access and enjoy the things she actually valued.

I did get a treasure for myself - a penny from 1806, George III!

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 17:32

Next chapter from The Gosie Chronicles will be posted shortly.

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 17:37

37. Final Reports

In which beautiful glass is admired...

The rest of the reports from the cathedrals came in like buses, nothing for an hour and then three at once. @AngleofRepose had her notebook open before the breakfast things were fully cleared, and by the middle of the morning she was halfway down the page.

@Magpiecomplex was back from Kent by half past ten with road dust on her and a dish of peanuts in front of her inside a minute. “No mark,” she said. “I’ll say that first, since it’s what you want.”

“Where did you get to?” asked Angle.

“Everywhere, mainly Rochester and Canterbury, but then I heard about All Saints’ church in Tudeley. Twelve windows, each designed by Marc Chagall, and it’s the only church in the world where that’s true.”

Magpie took a peanut apart without looking at it. “The east one is a memorial. A young woman called Sarah d’Avigdor-Goldsmid drowned in a sailing accident off Rye in 1963, aged twenty-one, and her mother and father commissioned it. Chagall came over for the installation in 1967, stood in the church, and said he would create them all. He was still at it fifteen years later. The chancel windows went in the year he died, and he was 98.”

“Did you get up to the leading?” said Angle.

“I did, and I didn’t even have to fly up for it, which is the other thing worth telling you. They’re at eye level. You can walk straight up and put your face to them. He worked the glass right to the end of the making, scratching at it, marking it, so his hands are all over it.” Magpie ate the peanut. “Nothing struck in the lead. Not on any of the twelve. I went round twice.”

Angle wrote Tudeley, Kent, twelve windows, no mark and went back to her tea.

@EmpressaurusKitty arrived with Kitty at noon to report from Oxford. “Christ Church Cathedral. The Latin Chapel, east window. 1859, Burne-Jones, made up by James Powell and Sons. Sixteen panels, the whole life of Saint Frideswide, who is the patron saint of Oxford. No mark anywhere in the lead,” she said. “But, in the last panel Frideswide is on her deathbed, and behind her, in the background, there is a Victorian flush lavatory.”

Gantry put her mug down. “A WHAT?”

“A flush lavatory. I went back twice to be sure and then found a verger and she showed me, too. I took pictures.”

“Why is it there?” asked Girdle.

“Nobody knows. One account says it belonged to whoever paid for the window and was put in as a way of acknowledging the funding. Another says Burne-Jones had seen one at the Great Exhibition a few years before and thought a great deal of it.”

Angle wrote in her notebook, Christ Church, Oxford. No mark. Lavatory in a window. She looked down at her columns. “With Kent and Oxford returning today, nearly everyone has come back, though we’re expecting @AnonyMumAuDHD any minute now.” She turned the page. “@MarieDeGournay is still out. Four days on the telephone to that private trust in Lincolnshire, and when it went on ringing, she went herself.”

“The locked one?” asked Girdle.

“The locked one,” said Angle.

The darkroom door opened at three, and Glossy came out and stood with her back against it, which she had not done before. “It’s all printed,” she said. “Liverpool, Cumbrae, Truro, and the last two rolls. Everything that has come in is up on the wall.”

Angle handed her the film from Oxford and Glossy looked a little shocked, “Just when the queue was finally empty,” she said and returned to the darkroom.

Moments later AnonyMumAuDHD arrived with a roll of film and a sheet of paper she read from rather than trusting to memory. "York Minster. North transept. The Five Sisters window, five lancets, each over sixteen metres high and installed around 1250. Gorgeous Grisaille glass, so it's grey with uncoloured glass in between and it's so beautiful. There is more 13th century grisaille there than anywhere else on earth.

Angle immediately took up her pencil, "Tell us everything."

AnonyMum continued, "They removed the windows during the First World War as a precaution against zeppelins. When they were returned, tiny holes in the glass were discovered, which grew and caused bits of the glass to flake off. The lead also needed repairs. Years of work to restore the windows were needed, and two women, Helen Little and Almyra Gray, asked Yorkshire women for donations to pay for it. In the end over 32,000 women from across Britain and the Empire made donations. It was rededicated on Midsummer's Day in 1925 to the women of the Empire who died in the Great War. There are oak screens beside it with 1,514 women's names on them."

AnonyMum turned the sheet over, "The windows were removed again during World War II and needed more restoration. The rededication service in 1950 was attended by nearly 2,500 people and included a massed choir of 250 singers, plus 100 singers from the Women's Institute and an all-female team of bell-ringers, from the Ladies Guild of Change Ringers. They rang the bells for the service and were the first all-women team ever to ring the Minster's bells.

"And I found the Margrave’s mark! It’s in the lead at the bottom of the centre lantern."

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/37-final-reports

The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
Magpiecomplex · 01/09/2026 17:54

Disappointing that neither Canterbury nor Rochester had any marks. I'm sure this means something. 🤔

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 17:54

Did I find anything in the Welsh Borders, Myrtle? I rang DD's godmother in Oswestry to tell her I might need to use her spare room while in the area with possible support gerbils.

And also my grandmother's best friend's granddaughter who lives in Ludlow, who also has a room i could use while in the Marches.

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 17:56

I added the image of the flush lavatory (right hand side of the image) in the Oxford Burne-Jones window so you could all see for yourselves.

AI found it and the Liverpool windows. I was actually not going to have the mark in any of the three final returns. Instead I wanted you all to have come back and at least have seen some lovely stained glass windows, so you may not have found the Margrave's mark, but you the trips would have been worth it.

But then I looked up the Liverpool glass, and it is so spectacular, and original 13th century grisaille that I had to put a mark on it.

All the glass mentioned in the story does exist by the way, I check it all.

Magpiecomplex · 01/09/2026 18:00

I'm very impressed by the flush toilet. Clearly St Frideswide should be the patron saint of plumbers.

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 18:03

PastaAllaNorma · 01/09/2026 17:54

Did I find anything in the Welsh Borders, Myrtle? I rang DD's godmother in Oswestry to tell her I might need to use her spare room while in the area with possible support gerbils.

And also my grandmother's best friend's granddaughter who lives in Ludlow, who also has a room i could use while in the Marches.

Oh, have you not come back? I did ask AI to check. I will see. You never know, you might have found something interesting.

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 18:10

MyrtleLion · 01/09/2026 17:56

I added the image of the flush lavatory (right hand side of the image) in the Oxford Burne-Jones window so you could all see for yourselves.

AI found it and the Liverpool windows. I was actually not going to have the mark in any of the three final returns. Instead I wanted you all to have come back and at least have seen some lovely stained glass windows, so you may not have found the Margrave's mark, but you the trips would have been worth it.

But then I looked up the Liverpool glass, and it is so spectacular, and original 13th century grisaille that I had to put a mark on it.

All the glass mentioned in the story does exist by the way, I check it all.

I meant the York windows, not Liverpool. 😂

Long day. Doing too much. Wedding anniversary tomorrow so we're going out for dinner. I just fancy the pub tonight.

Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2026 18:43

Well, this is weird. As I write, Mr Frozen-Face is watching one of Portillo's programmes and there's an item on Chagall's windows at Tudeley.

Magpiecomplex · 01/09/2026 19:14

Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2026 18:43

Well, this is weird. As I write, Mr Frozen-Face is watching one of Portillo's programmes and there's an item on Chagall's windows at Tudeley.

Blimey, don't tell me Portillo is involved in Gosie's adventures too?! Maybe he's the shadowy Margrave?

DauntlessDamson · 01/09/2026 19:21

Pasta I'm so glad you have managed to get onto the list for your knee replacement and I hope you don't have to wait too long. Also, well done for losing enough weight for them to add you to the list. It won't just help with the op, but also with the recovery, as I've discovered myself with my own knee problem.

Woley Congratulations on starting your decluttering. I downsized a couple of years ago and did a radical decluttering exercise beforehand. I must say, I found it very therapeutic, but I still managed to bring too much stuff with me and I'm still looking at things and thinking 'why on earth did I bring that?'

I agree that Boily is the champion of decluttering, of course and the micro ducks made me smile, but they would fry my brain if I had to listen to them more than once or twice.!

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2026 19:39

Magpiecomplex · 01/09/2026 19:14

Blimey, don't tell me Portillo is involved in Gosie's adventures too?! Maybe he's the shadowy Margrave?

Perhaps we should have been following Bradshaw’s Guide?

ErrolTheDragon · 01/09/2026 19:49

I’ve just caught up … over 50 posts since Deano’s good morning! Shock . Please distribute 💐, 👏, 😂 etc as appropriate. I’ve been out canals volunteering and then gardening when I got home as I was mucky anyway. And DH cleaned out the gutters which had a lot of moss washed off the roof by the epic rainstorm Damson alluded to at the weekend. This involves me holding the ladder steady on the driveway wearing a large hat to shield me from the falling debris as he pulls out the dirty hedgehogs* and scoops out the crap from the gutters.

*none of Hedgey’s friends or relations are harmed in this activity.

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