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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.

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AsWithGlad · 20/08/2026 15:44

Welcome to The Bluestocking, the best (perhaps only) online women's pub. Nothing in the food or drink can harm you, everything is served by a very enthusiastic crew of gerbils, who enjoy doing this, and any curious menfolk are welcome at the Staunch Ally down the road.

Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5564959-the-bluestocking-womens-pub-in-which-we-wait-excitedly-for-the-next-instalment-of-goseis-adventures

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DauntlessDamson · 30/08/2026 13:57

PastaAllaNorma · 29/08/2026 18:11

My son's graduation was in that cathedral. They had an organist while they got things going, and she played Toccata and Fugue as her first piece. The entire congregation jumped out of their skins, it was fantastic.

This is really weird!

I'm catching up the thread from yesterday, while listening to Classic FM.

Guess what was playing when I opened the thread at this post? 👀

NotAtMyAge · 30/08/2026 14:06

AngleofRepose · 30/08/2026 11:10

That thread's been a lot of fun (and, although he's not my fav, I think the original OP pic of Paul Newman might have taken the biscuit over all the others, 600+ posts later notwithstanding).

Don't forget to contribute to the Other Thread, as I think the women need their recognition as well 😉

Huge Paul Newman fan here. Those blue eyes, hidden by sunglasses in the OP, are mesmerising. Also a very decent man and a noted philanthropist, who managed to have a long and happy marriage despite being such a big Hollywood star.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/08/2026 14:08

MarieDeGournay · 30/08/2026 10:27

Oh Errol, i wish I had been there to see you take flight in the cathedral! what a wonderful sight that must have been. Now if the organist had been playing Bach's T&F at the same time - wow!

It's only recently via the Gosie episodes that I've realised how big you are, Errol - not quite fitting into rooms where everybody is gathered must be difficult at times Flowers But it obviously has its compensations, like taking several gerbils for joyrides on your backSmile

Have a a good weekend, Swash - it's so lovely to be in touch with you again, you were always in our thoughts, and it was a lovely surprise to see your galleon sailing up .. er what is the body of water outside the Bluey? 'Peak Reach', according to google mapsWink - again

Did anyone say the organist wasn’t belting out Bach’s T&F during that visit?
As to size, dragons are of course somewhat magical creatures and (like our gerbils etc) aren’t strictly bound by the laws of physics such a conservation of mass or conventional aerodynamics.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/08/2026 14:19

I visited the RC cathedral in Liverpool as a child, but not the Anglican one as it still hadn’t been finished by then.

AngleofRepose · 30/08/2026 14:32

PastaAllaNorma · 30/08/2026 12:27

Angle, have you seen the series Shrinking on Apple TV? Harrison Ford is amazing in that.

Back home after 3 days at the Aged Ps, as Wemmick would say.

More crochet done, and more grim dieting with my eye firmly on the prize of Tuesday's knee appointment.

Haven't seen that, thanks for the tip!

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 17:26

I need a tip too!

Can Bluestockingers recommend paperbacks to take to Norway next week? I looked at the Lauren Johnson book on Margaret Beaufort but it’s only available in hardback at the moment & I want to travel as light as possible, so I’m going to get it once I’m back. I like actual books better than Kindle.

Entertaining & educational historical books about women would be perfect. My favourite novelists are Jodi Taylor, Georgette Heyer & Miss Read but I’ve read / listened to all of theirs.

MyrtleLion · 30/08/2026 17:55

I was also in love with Michael York and Richard Chamberlain. Michael played gay and bisexual characters, and Richard was gay. I see a theme....

Gosie will soon be here.

Thehorticulturalhussie · 30/08/2026 18:05

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 17:26

I need a tip too!

Can Bluestockingers recommend paperbacks to take to Norway next week? I looked at the Lauren Johnson book on Margaret Beaufort but it’s only available in hardback at the moment & I want to travel as light as possible, so I’m going to get it once I’m back. I like actual books better than Kindle.

Entertaining & educational historical books about women would be perfect. My favourite novelists are Jodi Taylor, Georgette Heyer & Miss Read but I’ve read / listened to all of theirs.

My suggestions are
Most by Sarah Dunnant but especially Blood and Beauty or Company of the Courtesan
Circe by Madeleine Miller
A Thousand Ships or The Children of Jocasta by Natalie Haynes

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 18:11

I’ve got Circe & all Natalie Haynes’s books but I haven’t come across Sarah Dunant before. The only books I’ve read about the Borgias so far are the Jean Plaidy ones as a teenager. Thanks Hussie!

MyrtleLion · 30/08/2026 18:11

35. Stamping the Lead

In which Gimbal surprises Fenella…

As everyone went to look at the prints, @Hedgehogforshort and Gosie took up their conversation at the exact point where @ErrolTheDragon had interrupted it.

“Do you think we have put the gerbils in danger?” said Gosie.

“Not yet,” said Hedgehog. “Nothing they have done can be seen from Fenella’s side of the bench. Graphic’s drawing is filed as an open copy, so nothing looks missing. Stamp 23 went back into its compartment. Griffin has touched nothing but her own work. Danger starts on the day something shows.”

“Then we need an extraction plan before that day,” said Gosie. “If it goes wrong, how do we get them out?”

“They will just leave.”

“You read their contracts and said there is nothing in them about leaving. You said Fenella Burnish could sack them on a Friday and they could never resign. You said, ‘we’ll deal with it if it comes up’. Well, it’s come up. What’s the plan?”

“The first thing to say,” said Hedgehog, “is that the clause operates in one direction only, which in practice means...” She stopped and slumped. “There isn’t a plan. I found the clause, I said it out loud in front of everyone, and I assumed something would turn up if we needed it to. I’m sorry.”

“They’ll have to get sacked then,” said Gosie.

“Or they could just not go back to work,” said Hedgehog. “It’s not prison.”

The following morning, Fenella stood at the bench with Graphic. The old panel lay on the left, without its frame and next to it was Graphic’s drawing of the marks that had been inside the old lead: E.W. 1716. On the right lay the unmarked new lead.

“Every mark in the old lead goes into the new,” said Fenella. “Get Halcyon to check the Stamps spreadsheet for E.W. 1716. It will have a reference number, and that number will correspond to a number on top of a stamp in the stamp box. Bring me the stamp.”

Graphic went over to Halcyon who was sitting at the laptop with Griffin. Halcyon opened the Stamps spreadsheet. More than half of the rows were virtually empty, holding only a stamp number, with the details of the die, its title and date left blank. E.W. 1716 was not in the spreadsheet.

Graphic went back and told Fenella who stopped what she was doing and came over to see for herself.

“Half empty,” she said. “Half. Every job in this workshop crosses that sheet. I have a panel on the bench and a mark to match and the catalogue is incomplete. How does a catalogue stop in the middle?”

“I couldn’t fill it in,” said Halcyon, “because the stamps were jumbled. Gimbal is sorting them.”

“Then how am I to find anything at all?”

“I’ve nearly finished,” said Gimbal, from the stamp box. “One more chain to go.”

Fenella looked at her. “I don’t have time to wait until you have finished. I need E.W. 1716.”

“Yes. Stamp 90.” Gimbal went to compartment 90, took out the stamp, and handed it over.

Fenella turned the die to the light and saw that it read E.W. 1716.”You remembered that?” she asked Gimbal.

“Yes. Do you need anything else?”

“G.R. 1857.”

“Stamp 176.” A second compartment was located, and a second stamp was handed over in the same way.

“Remarkable,” said Fenella. She looked at Gimbal as if she had been keeping something from her. “Sit with Halcyon and help her fill in the spreadsheet. The rest of the chain can wait.” Then she looked at the clock. “Halcyon. The courier for the crate. It must go out tomorrow.”

“Doing it now,” said Halcyon.

Fenella went back to the bench with the two stamps, and Graphic went with her.

Halcyon pulled the laptop towards her and muttered, “Fussbucket”, under her breath barely loud enough for Griffin to hear her.

Halcyon opened the Courier tab on the spreadsheet and scrolled down the list. Realising that what she wanted wasn’t listed on the sheet, she closed the tab and opened the Dispatch tab. She quickly found the reference she was looking for and clicked on it which led to the grey sheet with the password box in the middle. Halcyon typed once, looking down at the keys, and Griffin watched the keys instead of the screen. Only the left hand size of the keyboard was visible, and Griffin saw the capital F first. She missed the next letter, then saw two 5s together, and a b. A letter she did not catch, then c, another letter she didn’t catch and then, near the end, a £, and last of all the t. Ten keys.

The sheet opened. Halcyon scrolled a long way to the right, found what she was looking for, and copied a phone number onto the notepad beside her. Griffin could see that the rows that had been red were now amber, and the destination column held new information. Halcyon closed the sheet before Griffin could read it. Halcyon then tore the top sheet off the notepad, folded it once, took it into the office and shut the door.

Gimbal looked at the office door, then at the empty chair where she was meant to sit and help fill in the spreadsheet and decided she could not begin until Halcyon came back. She went back to the box of stamps.

The last chain ran through nine compartments. Gimbal worked it the way she had worked all the others, stamp by stamp: number noted, die read, compartment assigned. Seventh in the chain, from a compartment near the bottom of the box, came a stamp heavier than the rest. She turned the stamp over to look at the die.

A circle, with three lines struck through it. The number on the top of the stamp read 106

Before she could move it to its compartment, Graphic arrived at her side and asked for H.W. 1674.

“Stamp 17,” said Gimbal, locating the compartment and handing the stamp over to Graphic without putting down the stamp she was holding.

Graphic took it, and as she went back to the bench, she spotted the notepad by the laptop. The top sheet was blank, but she could see a line of indentations pressed into the paper. Without pausing for breath she tore the blank sheet off the pad and put it inside her pinafore pocket, then returned to her work with Fenella.

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The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
The Bluestocking Pub, where we continue to read about gerbils nobly and bravely working undercover in the Fen.
MyrtleLion · 30/08/2026 18:18

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 18:11

I’ve got Circe & all Natalie Haynes’s books but I haven’t come across Sarah Dunant before. The only books I’ve read about the Borgias so far are the Jean Plaidy ones as a teenager. Thanks Hussie!

If you like Greek myth, particularly the Siege of Troy, you must read Pat Barker's Women of Troy trilogy

The Silence of the Girls
The Women of Troy
The Voyage Home

All told from the perspective of the women captured by the Greeks, and how they might have felt about being given as sex slaves to Achilles etc. Brilliant novels.

Thehorticulturalhussie · 30/08/2026 18:26

Thehorticulturalhussie · 30/08/2026 18:05

My suggestions are
Most by Sarah Dunnant but especially Blood and Beauty or Company of the Courtesan
Circe by Madeleine Miller
A Thousand Ships or The Children of Jocasta by Natalie Haynes

I really should have pointed out that most don't exactly meet your criteria, being the retellings of myths from the perspective of previously silent women in the tales. But good reads IMO.

Thehorticulturalhussie · 30/08/2026 18:27

MyrtleLion · 30/08/2026 18:18

If you like Greek myth, particularly the Siege of Troy, you must read Pat Barker's Women of Troy trilogy

The Silence of the Girls
The Women of Troy
The Voyage Home

All told from the perspective of the women captured by the Greeks, and how they might have felt about being given as sex slaves to Achilles etc. Brilliant novels.

Agree 100%

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 18:34

I love myths as well! The only reason I didn’t mention them was that I’ve got most of the Natalie Haynes / Madeline Miller / Pat Barker books but history is a new area.

I don’t have The Voyage Home though.

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 18:39

@MyrtleLion I think Kitty & I are still busy with cathedrals but can Kitty run back to the Bluestocking with films, hear the conversation & go back to her role of guarding the gerbils by lurking up in the poplars & watching through the skylight?

She’s probably the only one who can get away with that & then at least somebody’s keeping an eye on them.

Chickadeeinme · 30/08/2026 19:43

@MyrtleLion I didn’t know Pat Barker had written Greek historical novels! I’ve only read the WW1 ones.

For historical novel fans I highly recommend the work of Kate Quinn - I haven’t read her Roman or Borgia books, but I’ve read all but one of the ones set in WW1 and/or WW2. Excellent writing.

i forgot to mention another minor movie crush - Ted Danson, who I particularly like because not only is he still very easy on the eye, even at maybe 80 by now, but has also been happily married to the delightful Mary Steenburgen for over 50 years.

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 19:47

Thanks Chickadee, I’ll have a look at Kate Quinn.

DauntlessDamson · 30/08/2026 20:18

We had a thunderstorm of biblical proportions earlier. Over fairly quickly but quite violent while it lasted, with ridiculous amounts of rain in a short time - I now have a pond in my garden, where there was none before.🐠

The main thing, though, is that there were a lot of bank holiday events going on along the Lancashire coast today - a kite festival, a food festival (under canvass 😬), an airshow and an outdoor prom concert, to name the ones I know about. Apparently, the Red Arrows had to abandon their display just a few minutes in and the airshow wing walkers were cancelled altogether!😨

I haven't heard about the other events but it seems such a shame that, after the summer we have had, it should end like this on the last bank holiday. I feel so sorry for all those attending, including the traders who often depend on these events to boost their income before the end of the season and the quieter months.

EdithStourton · 30/08/2026 20:26

MyrtleLion · 30/08/2026 17:55

I was also in love with Michael York and Richard Chamberlain. Michael played gay and bisexual characters, and Richard was gay. I see a theme....

Gosie will soon be here.

Oh Lord yes, Richard Chamberlain!
Teenage me was quite keen on him. I liked him better in the Thornbirds than Shōgun, probably because I'm not the biggest fan of beards.

EdithStourton · 30/08/2026 20:51

Empress
The Uncommon Reader (Alan Bennett) - it's very funny, it took me 2x as long to read it as it should as I kept laughing.
Have you ever tried any Mary Renault?

EdithStourton · 30/08/2026 20:57

I should add, the Mary Renault ones are about blokes, but the characterisation is wonderful and there are some memorable female characters in some of them.

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/08/2026 21:09

I love the sound of The Umcommon Reader, Edith! No, I haven’t read any Mary Renault - more to add to my list 😀.

ErrolTheDragon · 30/08/2026 21:57

The only Mary Renault I’ve read was The Persian Boy, which for some unaccountable reason an uncle gave my parents for Christmas (it really wasn’t their usual sort of gift). I was a young teen who avidly read whatever was in the house - it was somewhat educational beyond the history of Alexander the GreatShock

RumNotRun · 30/08/2026 23:06

Do any of the crocheters on this thread have recommendations for good yarn please? My sister has asked if I have learned to crochet yet and wants me to make her a whale shark 😲😲 She sent a pattern and I have found some other "easy" patterns so thought I'd give it a go while I have a week off work.

AsWithGlad · 31/08/2026 02:04

Ah, that might explain Richard Armitage recently having a fortnight playing Herod in Jesus Christ Superstar at the London Palladium. Certainly not that you have to be gay to do it, but there is often an over-the-top campness in the way it’s done. He was followed by Layton Williams (as seen on Strictly): Julian Clary’s next.
My impressions of Richard Armitage had also been from North and South, and Spooks, so not camp at all.

JCSS is probably my favourite non-Sondheim musical and I actually knew/know one of the cast, who is posting daily on Instagram.

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